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Question: ...would have made the best president?
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dennis hastert
 
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newt gingrich
 
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tom foley
 
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jim wright
 
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tip o'neill
 
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« Reply #25 on: May 08, 2005, 05:01:22 AM »

Delete the words 'almost' and 'Cicerro,' and inserting the words ', and I am a ing idiot' at the end, and your post will have at least one accurate sentence.

It is an absolute fact that Tip O'Neill said a bunch of sh**tty things about Reagan's policies that never materialized. Now, I'm not going to quote this stuff for you. Read a ing history book.

If you want to say Tip O'Neill was right to criticize Reagan, go right ahead. The fact is, that from my end, Tip O'Neill was utterly discredited, which has nothing to do with your minds or what you consider objectivity on my part to be.
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« Reply #26 on: May 08, 2005, 05:07:46 AM »

Tip blunted the harsher aspects of Reagan's agenda and although Reagan got the better of him in the first year and a half, after then (and especially after the '82 MidTerms) Tip usually came out on top. He was a pretty effective check on the executive, maybe that why you don't like him?
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« Reply #27 on: May 08, 2005, 05:08:58 AM »

Delete the words 'almost' and 'Cicerro,' and inserting the words ', and I am a g idiot' at the end, and your post will have at least one accurate sentence.

It is an absolute fact that Tip O'Neill said a bunch of sh**tty things about Reagan's policies that never materialized. Now, I'm not going to quote this stuff for you. Read a g history book.

If you want to say Tip O'Neill was right to criticize Reagan, go right ahead. The fact is, that from my end, Tip O'Neill was utterly discredited, which has nothing to do with your minds or what you consider objectivity on my part to be.

I don't give a sh**t about Tip O' Neil. You don't know what the word objective means.
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« Reply #28 on: May 08, 2005, 05:11:11 AM »

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« Reply #29 on: May 08, 2005, 05:11:32 AM »

objective

adj 1: undistorted by emotion or personal bias
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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2005, 05:13:35 AM »

Right. Or devoid of opinion, meaning citing an opinion poll has nothing to do with the matter.
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2005, 05:16:22 AM »

Right. Or devoid of opinion, meaning citing an opinion poll has nothing to do with the matter.

You didn't say that. You said coming to a conclusion individually was being objective. Isn't that an opinion?
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2005, 05:21:08 AM »

My point is that any objective analysis has to come from an individual examination of the facts. You can't just cite opinion polls, and call it objective fact.

Now, if you want to argue that something like "discredited" can never be objective, okay, but the point is that you're usually talking about in light of certain facts. Reagan's administration is not generally seen as a failed presidency, despite Tip O'Neill's instance Reagan had no clue what he was doing.
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2005, 01:28:46 PM »

Joseph Bracken Reed would have made the best President by far. Too bad he is not listed.
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2005, 08:47:06 PM »

Stop resorting to profanity to insult Tip O'Neil, Ace.

Tip's problem is that he would have been a great President- about 30 years before he was a power player, that is.  A last relic of a dead era.

Newt Gingrich would have made the best President by far, as he was the only one to have an executive leadership style.
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2005, 09:28:57 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2005, 10:41:00 PM »

He was the worst kind of person. An incompetent idiot who thought he knew everything.

Who does THAT sound like? The banned and discredited Philip or Ace perhaps?

Do you post anything other then cheap/lame attacks on A18?
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« Reply #37 on: May 09, 2005, 12:37:06 AM »

Joseph Bracken Reed would have made the best President by far. Too bad he is not listed.
Do you mean Thomas Bracket Reed, the Speaker of the House through most of the 1890s, perhaps? If you do, I agree. Asked if the GOP might nominate him for President, Reed replied "they could do worse - and I'm sure they will".

(And who was also most unfairly and rapidly passed over in Julian Zelizer's otherwise excellent The American Congress, I might add.)

Of those listed, it has to be Newt - and at time of writing, if he can figure out a way to get through the primary process (a problem that also dogs my own preferred candidate), he might yet be.
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« Reply #38 on: May 09, 2005, 05:19:31 PM »

Do you mean Thomas Bracket Reed, the Speaker of the House through most of the 1890s, perhaps? If you do, I agree. Asked if the GOP might nominate him for President, Reed replied "they could do worse - and I'm sure they will".

I meant that, Representative from Maine. Resigned his seat due to his opposition to American Imperialism in the McKinley Era.

When asked is he was to attend a political opponents funeral he said no, but he apporoved of it.
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« Reply #39 on: May 09, 2005, 07:18:19 PM »

Do you mean Thomas Bracket Reed, the Speaker of the House through most of the 1890s, perhaps? If you do, I agree. Asked if the GOP might nominate him for President, Reed replied "they could do worse - and I'm sure they will".

I meant that, Representative from Maine. Resigned his seat due to his opposition to American Imperialism in the McKinley Era.

When asked is he was to attend a political opponents funeral he said no, but he apporoved of it.

I don't get it. He approved of what?
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« Reply #40 on: May 10, 2005, 07:05:56 AM »

Tip O'Neill

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« Reply #41 on: May 10, 2005, 07:34:33 AM »

Do you mean Thomas Bracket Reed, the Speaker of the House through most of the 1890s, perhaps? If you do, I agree. Asked if the GOP might nominate him for President, Reed replied "they could do worse - and I'm sure they will".

I meant that, Representative from Maine. Resigned his seat due to his opposition to American Imperialism in the McKinley Era.

When asked is he was to attend a political opponents funeral he said no, but he apporoved of it.

I don't get it. He approved of what?
A funeral being held (and, it is hinted, of the death.)

Write-in Henry Clay.
Of those listed, Tip O'Neill.
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« Reply #42 on: May 10, 2005, 02:37:17 PM »

i cant believe so many people voted tip.  what a hack he was.  no way was he fit to be president.

i voted newt.  he is much more conservative than me, but at least he thinks outside the box.  i really dont think hed be a bad president.  public opinion be damned.
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« Reply #43 on: May 10, 2005, 03:10:18 PM »

voted gingrich. maybe a bad idea, but....
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