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The Old Left (1864-1956)
 
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The New Left (1956-1989)
 
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The Postmodern Left (1989-2011)
 
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The Emerging Left (2011-)
 
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« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2015, 03:48:14 PM »


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« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2015, 04:02:33 PM »

kind of obvious by now but i'll accept it 7/10
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« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2015, 04:15:57 PM »

old left despite blank slate/egalitarian cancer. of course 'cultural marxism' frequent have very little to actually do with marx. if he was alive now all the social justice and antifa losers would be crying about how racist and antisemitic he was. same goes for che. actually i kind of like che, he was fairly intellectual for a latino
Racist much?
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« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2015, 04:31:20 PM »

old left despite blank slate/egalitarian cancer. of course 'cultural marxism' frequent have very little to actually do with marx. if he was alive now all the social justice and antifa losers would be crying about how racist and antisemitic he was. same goes for che. actually i kind of like che, he was fairly intellectual for a latino
Racist much?

If the phrase "egalitarian cancer" didn't bug you already, yes, Mint is an ass who tries too hard to be edgy.
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« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2015, 05:09:47 PM »

old left despite blank slate/egalitarian cancer. of course 'cultural marxism' frequent have very little to actually do with marx. if he was alive now all the social justice and antifa losers would be crying about how racist and antisemitic he was. same goes for che. actually i kind of like che, he was fairly intellectual for a latino
Racist much?

If the phrase "egalitarian cancer" didn't bug you already, yes, Mint is an ass who tries too hard to be edgy.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/commentators/mark-steel/mark-steel-however-debased-the-image-ches-legend-lives-on-396445.html
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« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2015, 05:42:31 PM »

I voted Old Left, but I think your definition may be too broad. A leftist in 1885 is quite different from a leftist in 1934.
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« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2015, 05:45:35 PM »

the 'old Left' can include everything from the International Workingmen's Association to Eugene Debs to Marxist-Leninism to the 4th International to the Tallahassee Bus Boycott?
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« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2015, 05:48:19 PM »

as well as suffragettes and Mensheviks and Luxemburgists and SPD-traitors and the CIO
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« Reply #33 on: February 28, 2015, 06:36:43 AM »

the 'old Left' can include everything from the International Workingmen's Association to Eugene Debs to Marxist-Leninism to the 4th International to the Tallahassee Bus Boycott?

I tried to condense the categories as much as possible. If I were to expand on it, it would be more like this, I suppose -

1864-1886: The First Left (from the International to Haymarket)
1886-1917: The Second Left (from Haymarket to the Russian Revolution)

This is where it gets tricky

1917-1935: The Third Left (Russian Revolution to the Popular Front)
1935-1956: The Fourth Left (Popular Front to Hungarian Revolution)
1956-1968: The Left in Crisis (Hungarian Revolution to May '68)
1968-1979: The New Left (May '68 to Thatcher)
1979-1991: The Left in Retreat (Thatcher to the collapse of the USSR)
1991-1999: The Dispersed Left (USSR to Seattle 1999 protests)
1999-2003: Alter-Globalization Left (Seattle to Iraq War)
2003-2011: ? No idea for what name to give this one (Iraq War to Occupy)
2011-present: Horizontal Left / Intersectional Left (Occupy to now)
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« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2015, 04:50:46 PM »

the problem is that the USSR took over much of the international left within a few years of the revolution (and the collosal failure of the German revolution).  by 1930 or so this meant it was subject to Stalin's flights of fancy, or at least what he felt was best for the Russian nation-state.  

from Stalin's consolidation of power ca. 1928 up until 1934 Communists stayed out of real politics -- social dems were social fascists, etc.  then during the Popular Front period they got the go-ahead to participate in mass noncommunist workers' orgs like the CIO -- the mid-30s were the only time we actually had a functioning, potent left wing in the USA, in large part due to Comm. organizers working with American working class without trying to totally control it.

then in 1939 this was called off when Stalin made his deal w/Hitler.  the real enemies were the bourgeois democracies seeking to make imperialist war.  then 8 months later this was reversed.  

this is all a cursory history, and it very USA-centric (Stalin certainly did not stick to a Popular Front type policy in Spain after, at the latest, 1937) but it shows that any attempt to periodize the left is fraught with problems.
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« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2015, 04:52:59 PM »

I was actually able to find some copies pseudoacademic, English-language, obviously Communist-controlled journal from the mid 30s through about 1944 in the Cornell ILR library.  it was a surreal experience: the twists and turns...
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« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2015, 09:13:59 PM »

old left despite blank slate/egalitarian cancer. of course 'cultural marxism' frequent have very little to actually do with marx. if he was alive now all the social justice and antifa losers would be crying about how racist and antisemitic he was. same goes for che. actually i kind of like che, he was fairly intellectual for a latino
Racist much?

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