Opinion of Vito Marcantonio

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Undeniable FF.

[Indy Texas]

A Republican who fervently supported labor unions and went so far as to openly sympathize with communism and Leftists. Basically, he's the political equivalent of trying to divide by zero.

[LeBron]

I just find it funny that this guy was at one point in the same party as THEE Joseph McCarthy. He was by no means a modern Republican, but FF for having a similar ideology to that of Eisenhower on war, labor unions, civil rights and presumably domestic programs.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I just find it funny that this guy was at one point in the same party as THEE Joseph McCarthy. He was by no means a modern Republican, but FF for having a similar ideology to that of Eisenhower on war, labor unions, civil rights and presumably domestic programs.

Similar? No, not really.

If anything, Vito was to his left.

There is a reason why Tom Dewey tried to gerrymander him out of his district at one point.

[Snowstalker Mk. II]

I just find it funny that this guy was at one point in the same party as THEE Joseph McCarthy. He was by no means a modern Republican, but FF for having a similar ideology to that of Eisenhower on war, labor unions, civil rights and presumably domestic programs.

lolno

[Хahar 🤔]

I just find it funny that this guy was at one point in the same party as THEE Joseph McCarthy. He was by no means a modern Republican, but FF for having a similar ideology to that of Eisenhower on war, labor unions, civil rights and presumably domestic programs.

Similar? No, not really.

If anything, Vito was to his left.

There is a reason why Tom Dewey tried to gerrymander him out of his district at one point.

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

[traininthedistance]

I assume he was originally a Republican mainly out of opposition to Tammany Hall?

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I assume he was originally a Republican mainly out of opposition to Tammany Hall?

Yes.

[Indy Texas]

I assume he was originally a Republican mainly out of opposition to Tammany Hall?

Yes.

Same reason liberals like Fiorello LaGuardia and Jacob Javits were Republicans.

[Zioneer]

After reading his Wiki page, he seems like an undeniable FF, according to the way I see things.

EDIT: Wait, nevermind. The anti-WW2 stuff and the defending of North Korea is bad. Still FF though.

[Oldiesfreak1854]

He was fine when he was a Republican, but became an HP after voicing support for Marxism.

[Southern Senator North Carolina Yankee]

I just find it funny that this guy was at one point in the same party as THEE Joseph McCarthy. He was by no means a modern Republican, but FF for having a similar ideology to that of Eisenhower on war, labor unions, civil rights and presumably domestic programs.

Similar? No, not really.

If anything, Vito was to his left.

There is a reason why Tom Dewey tried to gerrymander him out of his district at one point.

Thanks, Captain Obvious.

It didn't seem so to the poster I was responding to and I prefer to hammer home my point and prefer not to leave something up to be assumed in this case.   I also generally strive not to be insulting to people when doing so, which I leave to far more distinguished posters in such matters then myself.

[Arturo Belano]

Huge FF despite his opposition of WW2 and his sympathies towards Stalinism. Also, he sort of looks like Chris Wallace.

[Peter the Lefty]

Stalinist=HP.  At least Henry A. Wallace came around later. 

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Stalinist=HP.  At least Henry A. Wallace came around later. 

He wasn't a Stalinist.

[Peter the Lefty]

Stalinist=HP.  At least Henry A. Wallace came around later. 

He wasn't a Stalinist.

Pro-Stalinist is just as bad.

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Stalinist=HP.  At least Henry A. Wallace came around later. 

He wasn't a Stalinist.

Pro-Stalinist is just as bad.

There is a HUGE difference between being a Communist fellow traveler in the United States in the 1930s and being a Stalinist apparatchik in the Soviet Union during the same period. American Communists laid the groundwork for the Civil Rights movement, built the CIO, and managed to push American politics firmly to the left because they were communists, not in spite of it. It is ridiculous to say that Marcantonio, a man who fought for rent control, stronger unions, aid to farmers, civil rights, and Puerto Rican independence, is "just as bad" as the man who butchered his own citizens.

[Peter the Lefty]

Stalinist=HP.  At least Henry A. Wallace came around later. 

He wasn't a Stalinist.

Pro-Stalinist is just as bad.

There is a HUGE difference between being a Communist fellow traveler in the United States in the 1930s and being a Stalinist apparatchik in the Soviet Union during the same period. American Communists laid the groundwork for the Civil Rights movement, built the CIO, and managed to push American politics firmly to the left because they were communists, not in spite of it. It is ridiculous to say that Marcantonio, a man who fought for rent control, stronger unions, aid to farmers, civil rights, and Puerto Rican independence, is "just as bad" as the man who butchered his own citizens.

I didn't say he was just as bad as Stalin himself.  But to consider Stalin's actions justifiable (not to mention subscribing to revisionist narratives on the Korean War) makes one an HP, no matter how great he may have been on domestic policy.

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Stalinist=HP.  At least Henry A. Wallace came around later. 

He wasn't a Stalinist.

Pro-Stalinist is just as bad.

There is a HUGE difference between being a Communist fellow traveler in the United States in the 1930s and being a Stalinist apparatchik in the Soviet Union during the same period. American Communists laid the groundwork for the Civil Rights movement, built the CIO, and managed to push American politics firmly to the left because they were communists, not in spite of it. It is ridiculous to say that Marcantonio, a man who fought for rent control, stronger unions, aid to farmers, civil rights, and Puerto Rican independence, is "just as bad" as the man who butchered his own citizens.

I didn't say he was just as bad as Stalin himself.  But to consider Stalin's actions justifiable (not to mention subscribing to revisionist narratives on the Korean War) makes one an HP, no matter how great he may have been on domestic policy.

Do you have any proof that he considered Stalin's actions justifiable?

[Filuwaúrdjan]

Well, continued fellow traveler status could be seen as an indication of that.

[Peter the Lefty]

Stalinist=HP.  At least Henry A. Wallace came around later. 

He wasn't a Stalinist.

Pro-Stalinist is just as bad.

There is a HUGE difference between being a Communist fellow traveler in the United States in the 1930s and being a Stalinist apparatchik in the Soviet Union during the same period. American Communists laid the groundwork for the Civil Rights movement, built the CIO, and managed to push American politics firmly to the left because they were communists, not in spite of it. It is ridiculous to say that Marcantonio, a man who fought for rent control, stronger unions, aid to farmers, civil rights, and Puerto Rican independence, is "just as bad" as the man who butchered his own citizens.

I didn't say he was just as bad as Stalin himself.  But to consider Stalin's actions justifiable (not to mention subscribing to revisionist narratives on the Korean War) makes one an HP, no matter how great he may have been on domestic policy.

Do you have any proof that he considered Stalin's actions justifiable?

Given his failure to condemn Stalin's human rights record, as well as his blind obedience to the Soviets on every foreign policy matter (ex. supporting their alliance with the Nazis, calling U.S. support for Britain "imperialist," espousing revisionist narratives on the Korean War), he could certainly be considered pro-Stalin.  He definitely made no significant effort to distance himself from Uncle Joe.

[Mechaman]

I assume he was originally a Republican mainly out of opposition to Tammany Hall?

Yeah pretty much.

[MATTROSE94]

Mixed to lean FF overall. While I do not condone his sympathy to the Soviet Union and his support for the communist regime in North Korea, I do admire him for his tireless support for civil rights legislation and pro-labor union forces.

[Miles]

Republican officeholder = HP

[nolesfan2011]

Henry Wallace supporter, FF most certainly.