Twisted sick nazi cow!

[classical liberal]

I'm more or less in agreement with Brambilla on this - there's nothing wrong with trying to get information out of these terrorists.  The colonialists knew that a different standard of prisoner treatment applied when fighting a civilized enemy and an uncivilized one.  For example when Germans fought Englishmen, they knew that both sides would treat prisoners similarly, and reasonably well.  When Englishmen fought Dervishes, Thuggee, etc., they could only expect savage treatment, so it was appropriate to treat the savages the same way.

'Rules of war' are rather absurd, but if reciprocal they make sense.  With these people there are no rules.

My only concern is the psychological warping this type of duty may have caused in these brave American soldiers - and then to be prosecuted for it.  Shameful!

The only agreeable rules are those agreed to on both sides.  Our obeyance of rules that only bind us is rediculous.  However, it is necessary as a significant portion of the people who have bought into the War have only done so on the premise that we're better than them.  If we were to shatter this dillusion we would loose most of the support for the War.

[opebo]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

Hm, maybe I should point out that I am being sarcastic...this is my way of channelling my disgust for that line of thinking.

The others are probably serious though, at least Opebo.

I can understand you squeemishness, Gustaf, but my point is someone has to do these hard things on our behalf, or we will be over run.  Another way to look at it is our peaceful, Liberal societies are protected by the same thing that has always pertained in the State of Nature - brutal violence.    

I am glad to hear that you understand my 'squeamishness', or as we like to say compassion and respect for human life.

It's simply a matter of differing moral principles.

Gentlemen, there's no need for hysteria, bitterness, or depression.

We don't need napalm or nukes, as this will lead to defeat - not military defeat but the loss of support of the 80% of Iraqis who really DO want us to mop the floor with apostate terrorists like al-Sadr.

America has a great fighting force that has learned a lot from Vietnam - we have basically defeated al-Sadr in Karbala - his militia has packed up and left town after having their all their hideouts destroyed by our tanks.

All we need to do is press on. The Iraqis WILL eventually find freedom compelling, you have to cut them a little slack after being terrorized for the last 25 years. But abandon them? - that we can't afford - if we leave before that country is stable, we've given up a major front in the war against terror. There were casualties and traitors and atrocities during the liberation of Europe 60 years ago as well, but turning around wasn't an option. It's no more of an option now.

Hysteria? Bitterness? Depression? I hope I didn't give that impression...

Yeah, I'm experiencing none of those emotions.. though perhaps I'm a trifle bloodthirsty.

[Mort from NewYawk]

What is happening here is esentially the start of the next World War.  We did what we had to do, but it seems to have come too late.  Soon Pres. Musharraf will be dead and Pakistan will be over taken be radicals.  Then what will we do?

I hate to be so fatalistic, but it seems to me that this will be the way of things.  Why continue to deny it?

Once again, I may snap out of this in a weeks, but this feeling has grow quite a bit in my mind over the past few months.

This is in fact world war three, so we might as well face it and fight it, and stop worrying about a few hijinks in some backwater prison.

Hysteria? Bitterness? Depression? I hope I didn't give that impression...

Yeah, I'm experiencing none of those emotions.. though perhaps I'm a trifle bloodthirsty.

Opebo -

Sorry, I got your sentiments confused with supersoulty's, since you both referred to the start of WW III.

I was wrong, though - it was only supersoulty that seemed a little bummed out by the prospect.  

[classical liberal]

there is nothing like the smell of burnt flesh in the morning.

I couldn't agree more.

[H.E. VOLODYMYR ZELENKSYY]

...I'm not sure that post was necessary. This thread is 9 years old, as you so eloquently stated.

[H. Ross Peron]

...And the link is dead

[tik 🪀✨]

Oh my God! A Google spider has become sentient and has learned of our darkest secrets..!

We are your God! Kneel and obey!

[Paul Kemp]

Brambilla hahahaha