Twisted sick nazi cow!

[12th Doctor]

What pisses me off is when people just say "bomb everything" and don't understand the ramifications of such an action.

What really pisses me off is that I strongly supported this war thinking that Arabs were capable of democracy if we could just light the spark.  It sure seems now like I was disasterously mistaken.

Let me reiterate.  I agree with you Don.  I didn't mean "bomb everything".  But I if we are dealing with a pocket of heavy resistace, we should give civilians 48 hours to get out and then just wail on th terrorists with heavy shelling and bombing, instead of sending a battalion of American boys and girls to go in and get shot up.

Clearly, the Arabs don't appriciate us for using kid gloves and sacraficing our guys to keep thier homes and families as intact as possible, so why bother.

We did what we went to do.  We got rid of Saddam, now lets just waste as many terrorists as we can and get out.  Clearly the Iraqis are starting to disslike us, but expect us to do everything to set up a country for them.  Iraq has become the worst of the American "Wel-fare State".  Let them set up their own damn government.  We are having much more progress in Afganistan.

Acctually, what we should do is take out Al-Jezeer.  That would help, for starters.

What is happening here is esentially the start of the next World War.  We did what we had to do, but it seems to have come too late.  Soon Pres. Musharraf will be dead and Pakistan will be over taken be radicals.  Then what will we do?

I hate to be so fatalistic, but it seems to me that this will be the way of things.  Why continue to deny it?

Once again, I may snap out of this in a weeks, but this feeling has grow quite a bit in my mind over the past few months.

[Bleeding heart conservative, HTMLdon]

I didn't mean you per se, I meant opebo and brambila.

You've got to remember though that these people have homes and lives just like we do.  They have possessions and memories.  There were terrorists living in Buffalo.  Do we bomb Buffalo?

Ok, maybe thats not a bad idea

I agree with you... I just think we have to be as careful as we have been... whether the Iraqis are smart enough to appreciate it or not.

[NewFreedom]

I get a feeling Brambila either wants to start WW3, or blow half of the planet to dust... wich, considering the little globalisation-thing we have running, international dependencies and such, paired with a lot of ecological havoc around already, would both lead damn close to almost, if not completely, eradicating mankind.

Brambila, you can trust me: Even the US gouvernment will see that if they do anythig remotely like you imply in Iraq, 9/11 will look like a broken ankle compared to what will come THEN.
We are damn lucky terrorists didn't try anythig with airplanes and Nuclear Powerplants yet, but üpiss them off enough, and that will be what you get.
AlQuaida and them are extreme... but they have always stayed at a level wich made sure you would NOT drop the big one on them. If you do, ALL restraints are off.

[Cadienne]

Spc. Sabrina Harman isn't too bad looking. Some guys would pay for that from her.

Yeah, she's fairly good looking. But you really think a lot of guys would pay for her to give the thumbs up to their corpses?

I meant the sexual abuse. It was a joke anyway so it doesn't matter

[Brambila]

Level Fallujah. Kill that Shi'ite leader. Leave.

[Gustaf]

Actually, a much quicker way would be concentrating on the children, since even the most primitive cultures are often soft when it comes to children. Level a few nurseries and they'll realize who they messed with.  

[NewFreedom]

Wouldn't blowing up one the american arsenal in AMERICA be a much easier way of national suicide?

[12th Doctor]

I didn't mean you per se, I meant opebo and brambila.

You've got to remember though that these people have homes and lives just like we do.  They have possessions and memories.  There were terrorists living in Buffalo.  Do we bomb Buffalo?

Ok, maybe thats not a bad idea

I was going to say...  Have you ever been to Buffalo?  It's like Nicaragua, no joke.

[Josh/Devilman88]

Wow them pictures are sick.. I totaly think that is WRONG. Two wrongs don't make a right.  These people need to be locked up for that. We are Americans and should act like it. For  a sec. there I thought I was looking at a Iraqi jail.  But I think that Bush is not to blame for this nor is Rummy. Only because there are thousands of people in our amry and it is VERY hard to oversee all of them.

[opebo]

Actually, a much quicker way would be concentrating on the children, since even the most primitive cultures are often soft when it comes to children. Level a few nurseries and they'll realize who they messed with.  

You're not far off - though I don't think they're soft on children - particularly female children as remarked above, who have little or no value.   They do respect one thing and one thing however - overwhelming force.  And we happen to have that.. alas we apparentely lack the will to use it.  

And btw, everyone always talks about leveling towns after giving 'civilians' 24 or 48 hours to leave. What nonsense - level it at first convenience.. there's no such thing as a civilian, and even if there were, the enemy wouldn't allow them to leave anyway.

This is in fact world war three, so we might as well face it and fight it, and stop worrying about a few hijinks in some backwater prison.

[NewFreedom]

I AM a civillian... I will NOT join any military forces, period!

Btw: It is amazing how little value some people here place on HUman life... not to say it is sickening to see people say it is RIGHT to level a city for somethign a few people in that city is.
Perhaps I should level newYork, as a lot of Rapists and Murderers life THERE, too!

[opebo]

I AM a civillian... I will NOT join any military forces, period!

If you're a citizen of a country at war, you can expect to be attacked, whether you're in or out of uniform.

[NewFreedom]

I AM a civillian... I will NOT join any military forces, period!

If you're a citizen of a country at war, you can expect to be attacked, whether you're in or out of uniform.

See above... if we are at THAT level still, we can just as way blow up what's left of the nuclear weaponry and eb done with it once and for all!

[Nation]

I didn't mean you per se, I meant opebo and brambila.

You've got to remember though that these people have homes and lives just like we do.  They have possessions and memories.  There were terrorists living in Buffalo.  Do we bomb Buffalo?

Ok, maybe thats not a bad idea

I agree with you... I just think we have to be as careful as we have been... whether the Iraqis are smart enough to appreciate it or not.

Damn Don, I'm going to college in Buffalo next year. Why don't you go bomb NYC instead?

[Gustaf]

Actually, a much quicker way would be concentrating on the children, since even the most primitive cultures are often soft when it comes to children. Level a few nurseries and they'll realize who they messed with.  

You're not far off - though I don't think they're soft on children - particularly female children as remarked above, who have little or no value.   They do respect one thing and one thing however - overwhelming force.  And we happen to have that.. alas we apparentely lack the will to use it.  

And btw, everyone always talks about leveling towns after giving 'civilians' 24 or 48 hours to leave. What nonsense - level it at first convenience.. there's no such thing as a civilian, and even if there were, the enemy wouldn't allow them to leave anyway.

This is in fact world war three, so we might as well face it and fight it, and stop worrying about a few hijinks in some backwater prison.

Well, obviously there would have to be a solution that works properly. But you can break all peoples, if done correctly. After all, war isn't something we do b/c we have too, but b/c it's fun!

Napalm for instance, that's pretty efficient and good psychologically. Or nerve gas. But maybe you're right about nurseries, so hospitals might be better. Or a religious school, you get both a strong religious symbol AND children. And I think there is a way of getting napalm in the mix as well. As someone once remarked, there is nothing like the smell of burnt flesh in the morning.

[NewFreedom]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

[Gustaf]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

Hm, maybe I should point out that I am being sarcastic...this is my way of channelling my disgust for that line of thinking.

The others are probably serious though, at least Opebo.

[NewFreedom]

Good to knwo at elast SOME sense is still remainign in the Human genetic pool.. btw: any of those war.drivers here being a pro-lifer? I remember Brambila being annoyed about legalized abortion...

[opebo]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

Hm, maybe I should point out that I am being sarcastic...this is my way of channelling my disgust for that line of thinking.

The others are probably serious though, at least Opebo.

I can understand you squeemishness, Gustaf, but my point is someone has to do these hard things on our behalf, or we will be over run.  Another way to look at it is our peaceful, Liberal societies are protected by the same thing that has always pertained in the State of Nature - brutal violence.    

[Middle-aged Europe]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

Hm, maybe I should point out that I am being sarcastic...this is my way of channelling my disgust for that line of thinking.

The others are probably serious though, at least Opebo.

That said I´m of course advocating the use of neutron bombs to "sterilize" the whole Middle East (except Israel) for security reasons.

Besides, nothing makes more fun than a little genocide. Hitler knew this, Stalin knew this. We should start to learn from the great.

[Gustaf]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

Hm, maybe I should point out that I am being sarcastic...this is my way of channelling my disgust for that line of thinking.

The others are probably serious though, at least Opebo.

I can understand you squeemishness, Gustaf, but my point is someone has to do these hard things on our behalf, or we will be over run.  Another way to look at it is our peaceful, Liberal societies are protected by the same thing that has always pertained in the State of Nature - brutal violence.    

I am glad to hear that you understand my 'squeamishness', or as we like to say compassion and respect for human life.

It's simply a matter of differing moral principles.

[Mort from NewYawk]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

Hm, maybe I should point out that I am being sarcastic...this is my way of channelling my disgust for that line of thinking.

The others are probably serious though, at least Opebo.

I can understand you squeemishness, Gustaf, but my point is someone has to do these hard things on our behalf, or we will be over run.  Another way to look at it is our peaceful, Liberal societies are protected by the same thing that has always pertained in the State of Nature - brutal violence.    

I am glad to hear that you understand my 'squeamishness', or as we like to say compassion and respect for human life.

It's simply a matter of differing moral principles.

Gentlemen, there's no need for hysteria, bitterness, or depression.

We don't need napalm or nukes, as this will lead to defeat - not military defeat but the loss of support of the 80% of Iraqis who really DO want us to mop the floor with apostate terrorists like al-Sadr.

America has a great fighting force that has learned a lot from Vietnam - we have basically defeated al-Sadr in Karbala - his militia has packed up and left town after having their all their hideouts destroyed by our tanks.

All we need to do is press on. The Iraqis WILL eventually find freedom compelling, you have to cut them a little slack after being terrorized for the last 25 years. But abandon them? - that we can't afford - if we leave before that country is stable, we've given up a major front in the war against terror. There were casualties and traitors and atrocities during the liberation of Europe 60 years ago as well, but turning around wasn't an option. It's no more of an option now.

[Gustaf]

You guys are all SICK, you know that?
Damnit, every kind of animal is better than THAT!

Hm, maybe I should point out that I am being sarcastic...this is my way of channelling my disgust for that line of thinking.

The others are probably serious though, at least Opebo.

I can understand you squeemishness, Gustaf, but my point is someone has to do these hard things on our behalf, or we will be over run.  Another way to look at it is our peaceful, Liberal societies are protected by the same thing that has always pertained in the State of Nature - brutal violence.    

I am glad to hear that you understand my 'squeamishness', or as we like to say compassion and respect for human life.

It's simply a matter of differing moral principles.

Gentlemen, there's no need for hysteria, bitterness, or depression.

We don't need napalm or nukes, as this will lead to defeat - not military defeat but the loss of support of the 80% of Iraqis who really DO want us to mop the floor with apostate terrorists like al-Sadr.

America has a great fighting force that has learned a lot from Vietnam - we have basically defeated al-Sadr in Karbala - his militia has packed up and left town after having their all their hideouts destroyed by our tanks.

All we need to do is press on. The Iraqis WILL eventually find freedom compelling, you have to cut them a little slack after being terrorized for the last 25 years. But abandon them? - that we can't afford - if we leave before that country is stable, we've given up a major front in the war against terror. There were casualties and traitors and atrocities during the liberation of Europe 60 years ago as well, but turning around wasn't an option. It's no more of an option now.

Hysteria? Bitterness? Depression? I hope I didn't give that impression...

[Mort from NewYawk]

Certainly not hysteria or depression , but I noted a touch of bitterness in your sardonic replies to the nuke 'em all crowd.

I understand it, it's impossible to reply to that in a straight manner.

[Gustaf]

Certainly not hysteria or depression , but I noted a touch of bitterness in your sardonic replies to the nuke 'em all crowd.

I understand it, it's impossible to reply to that in a straight manner.

Hm, I guess that might have been a tad of bitterness... I find it strange that people would seriously contemplate that. Btw, it's been a while. You should go check out the fantasy elections. We could need someone like you down there.

Both me and Statesrights are in the running after all.

Here's the link to registering: http://www.uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?board=13;action=display;threadid=2153;start=345