Should time and a half pay for overtime be abolished?

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

How many people in this country are actually getting time and a half pay? By that, I mean how many hourly workers are being given more than 40 hours a week?

The problem for most people in these types of jobs isn't that they're being asked to work too much. It's that there isn't enough work for them to begin with. They aren't Chinese Foxconn monkeys making iPhones for 18 hours a day. They're Dollar Tree cashiers who are given 20 hours a week of part-time work. They're machine techs who only work when their employer calls them in and might work 30 hours one week and 10 hours the next week.

Really?  Lots of people go for time and a half pay!  Half my family works for the USPS, once a very, very good job on base salary.  How about today?  (2012 to be precise)

http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20120420/DEPARTMENTS02/204200301/Postal-Service-employees-working-more-overtime

Of course, as the working class becomes ever more oppressed and exploited... why wouldn't they?  You squeeze and squeeze until they are FORCED to work overtime... and once they get used to the extra hours... the GOP tries to take away that extra pay!  Brilliant.  More and more work for the same crappy base salary.  Nice way to ease them in, eh? 

As always... more pure evil from the GOP.

[DC Al Fine]

How many people in this country are actually getting time and a half pay? By that, I mean how many hourly workers are being given more than 40 hours a week?

The problem for most people in these types of jobs isn't that they're being asked to work too much. It's that there isn't enough work for them to begin with. They aren't Chinese Foxconn monkeys making iPhones for 18 hours a day. They're Dollar Tree cashiers who are given 20 hours a week of part-time work. They're machine techs who only work when their employer calls them in and might work 30 hours one week and 10 hours the next week.

Really?  Lots of people go for time and a half pay!  Half my family works for the USPS, once a very, very good job on base salary.  How about today?  (2012 to be precise)

http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20120420/DEPARTMENTS02/204200301/Postal-Service-employees-working-more-overtime

"half of my family" is not a representative sample of the US labour force.

[Starbucks Union Thug HokeyPuck]

How many people in this country are actually getting time and a half pay? By that, I mean how many hourly workers are being given more than 40 hours a week?

The problem for most people in these types of jobs isn't that they're being asked to work too much. It's that there isn't enough work for them to begin with. They aren't Chinese Foxconn monkeys making iPhones for 18 hours a day. They're Dollar Tree cashiers who are given 20 hours a week of part-time work. They're machine techs who only work when their employer calls them in and might work 30 hours one week and 10 hours the next week.

Really?  Lots of people go for time and a half pay!  Half my family works for the USPS, once a very, very good job on base salary.  How about today?  (2012 to be precise)

http://www.federaltimes.com/article/20120420/DEPARTMENTS02/204200301/Postal-Service-employees-working-more-overtime

"half of my family" is not a representative sample of the US labour force.

That was simply an introduction to the fact I was going to make the USPS an example.  You know that. 

[tik 🪀✨]

Part time and temp employees should receive more than full time employees per hour as a reflection of their position as someone not fully employed and not receiving the same benefits that brings. Say, 25% more than the full time wage.

Getting rid of overtime pay rates makes zero sense from a standpoint of improving employment rates, not to mention a slew of painfully obvious things, btw.

[DC Al Fine]

Getting rid of overtime pay rates makes zero sense from a standpoint of improving employment rates, not to mention a slew of painfully obvious things, btw.

Obviously on the low end it works, but what's stopping an employer from paying a lower wage to get around overtime pay?

[tik 🪀✨]

Not much, admittedly. Human decency is too big an ask for many employers, of course. There are many tangible benefits to rewarding employees with higher wages off the bat. Improved productivity, motivation, discouraging absenteeism and desire to find better work, etc. These things do not easily directly translate well to the bottom line as clearly as just paying a low wage in the first place. The market does not accurately reflect the value of unskilled labour in America. It has merely found away to pay the desperate worker just enough our less to meet the bare minimum living standards, satisfying the desire of one to be employed and satisfying the employer's need for a workforce that will stay locked in a cycle of poverty, grateful for the scraps from the feast. Without granting them the means to improve themselves with extra disposable income, they hurt themselves in the long run. But go ahead, make the base rate lower and wonder why no one has cash to buy your products.

If anything, overtime pay should encourage employers to hire more people; the more to do the extra work, the fewer required to stay longer.

[Bleach Blonde Bad Built Butch Bodies for Biden]

Hell no.

[DC Al Fine]

If anything, overtime pay should encourage employers to hire more people; the more to do the extra work, the fewer required to stay longer.

This I can get behind. There's a growing dichotomy between can't get enough hours and worked to death in America. It's bad for the family.

[opebo]

The market does not accurately reflect the value

'The market' never 'reflects the value' of anything.  That is not what the market is - that is merely the claim of its apologists. What 'the market' is, is in fact a State policy which sets values by the use of force - in other words forces people upon pain of death to operate by a set of valuations assigned by society's controlling elite (capital).

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

This I can get behind. There's a growing dichotomy between can't get enough hours and worked to death in America. It's bad for the family.

Which is why our current health policy stinks.  Let's be honest folks, health insurance is costly, yet our laws basically say to employers, you must provide it to your full-time employees.  This encourages them to either hire many part-time employees to avoid having to offer health insurance or to work those they do hire full time for more than forty hours.

[DC Al Fine]

This I can get behind. There's a growing dichotomy between can't get enough hours and worked to death in America. It's bad for the family.

Which is why our current health policy stinks.  Let's be honest folks, health insurance is costly, yet our laws basically say to employers, you must provide it to your full-time employees.  This encourages them to either hire many part-time employees to avoid having to offer health insurance or to work those they do hire full time for more than forty hours.

You've got no argument there. If you're going to have a largely private healthcare system, the incentives must be based around individuals

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

How many people in this country are actually getting time and a half pay? By that, I mean how many hourly workers are being given more than 40 hours a week?

The problem for most people in these types of jobs isn't that they're being asked to work too much. It's that there isn't enough work for them to begin with. They aren't Chinese Foxconn monkeys making iPhones for 18 hours a day. They're Dollar Tree cashiers who are given 20 hours a week of part-time work. They're machine techs who only work when their employer calls them in and might work 30 hours one week and 10 hours the next week.

That's hardly "most" people who work hourly. If you work in retail or customer service, you will definitely be working OT around holidays and major product launches. More than 10% of my pay last year was OT hours.

I also get over 40 hours basically every week unless I take a day off, regardless of it's offered or I sign up, as a result of the fact that if I come in on time and work my shift properly I will almost always end up staying at least a couple minutes late, and it all adds up.

[Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸]

If anything, overtime pay should encourage employers to hire more people; the more to do the extra work, the fewer required to stay longer.

This I can get behind. There's a growing dichotomy between can't get enough hours and worked to death in America. It's bad for the family.

Different problems in different kinds of work.

The "can't get enough hours" crowd is hourly, low-skilled workers. They work their 15-30 hours in retail or driving trucks or waiting tables.

The "worked to death crowd" is middle- and upper-level white collar employees who are salaried and thus work as few or as many hours as are needed. They have more to do because many of their colleagues got laid off over the past few years. And in earlier times, they'd have a retinue of secretaries and staff to help them, but now they have temp workers and unpaid interns who don't know what the hell is going on so they just do everything themselves.

[Nichlemn]

Abolish along with all other labour regulations and replace with guaranteed minimum income system. If you want to help people, do it efficiently and transparently.