Assange in Asylum

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Would the sexual assault changes he's wanted for constitute exposing that the emperor has no clothes?

No, they'd comprise rape.

[opebo]

Would the sexual assault changes he's wanted for constitute exposing that the emperor has no clothes?

No, they'd comprise rape.

No, they would comprise charges, based on unproven and unsubstantiated allegations.  Also whether the charges were of rape seem to be unclear.  The phrases 'unlawful coercion', 'sexual molestation', and 'deliberate molestation' were used: for example the weight of the body was allowed to rest on the complainant, the (erect) penis was pressed against another complainants body, and another engaged in condomless sex with Assange when 'half asleep', saying that had she been fully awake she would have insisted on the use of a condom (apparently their previous sexual encounters prior to falling asleep had been with a condom, thus giving precedent for this condition of consent).  For whatever reason the charges were described differently from the simple term 'rape'.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Would the sexual assault changes he's wanted for constitute exposing that the emperor has no clothes?

No, they'd comprise rape.

No, they would comprise charges, based on unproven and unsubstantiated allegations.  Also whether the charges were of rape seem to be unclear.  The phrases 'unlawful coercion', 'sexual molestation', and 'deliberate molestation' were used: for example the weight of the body was allowed to rest on the complainant, the (erect) penis was pressed against another complainants body, and another engaged in condomless sex with Assange when 'half asleep', saying that had she been fully awake she would have insisted on the use of a condom (apparently their previous sexual encounters prior to falling asleep had been with a condom, thus giving precedent for this condition of consent).  For whatever reason the charges were described differently from the simple term 'rape'.

I'm aware of the situation and its nuances, believe me. Surely you of all people can appreciate the pithy comeback, no?

[opebo]

I'm aware of the situation and its nuances, believe me. Surely you of all people can appreciate the pithy comeback, no?

Yes, your comeback was a good one, but it didn't address the meat of his point which was just as I described above - the charges are a bit vague and unsubstantiated.  I suppose that is inevitably the case with this type of charge, but I think that's what he was getting at with the 'emperor has no clothes' comment.

[stegosaurus]

Practical question: Why should Julian Assange, of all people on the planet, trust the justice system of a country that fears the potential of Wikileaks? The charges are unsubstantiated and all too convenient for his detractors. For those of you who are quick to write such a thing off as a conspiracy theory are much to quick to trust the authorities.

[Okay, maybe Mike Johnson is a competent parliamentarian.]

Practical question: Why should Julian Assange, of all people on the planet, trust the justice system of a country that fears the potential of Wikileaks? The charges are unsubstantiated and all too convenient for his detractors. For those of you who are quick to write such a thing off as a conspiracy theory are much to quick to trust the authorities.

How, exactly, do you think it ought to be possible to 'substantiate' a charge of this nature?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Practical question: Why should Julian Assange, of all people on the planet, trust the justice system of a country that fears the potential of Wikileaks? The charges are unsubstantiated and all too convenient for his detractors. For those of you who are quick to write such a thing off as a conspiracy theory are much to quick to trust the authorities.

What does Sweden have to fear from Wikileaks?

[SPC]

Practical question: Why should Julian Assange, of all people on the planet, trust the justice system of a country that fears the potential of Wikileaks? The charges are unsubstantiated and all too convenient for his detractors. For those of you who are quick to write such a thing off as a conspiracy theory are much to quick to trust the authorities.

What does Sweden have to fear from Wikileaks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contents_of_the_United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak_(Europe)#Sweden

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[opebo]

How, exactly, do you think it ought to be possible to 'substantiate' a charge of this nature?

If it isn't possible to show some evidence then how can one reasonably bring the charge?  Is it merely the whim of anyone to accuse anyone else?

[True Federalist (진정한 연방 주의자)]

Practical question: Why should Julian Assange, of all people on the planet, trust the justice system of a country that fears the potential of Wikileaks? The charges are unsubstantiated and all too convenient for his detractors. For those of you who are quick to write such a thing off as a conspiracy theory are much to quick to trust the authorities.

What does Sweden have to fear from Wikileaks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contents_of_the_United_States_diplomatic_cables_leak_(Europe)#Sweden

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But that's old news.  Do you really think Wikileaks will ever get a major scoop again?  No one with a shred of desire for secrecy and a smidgen of common sense is going to make use of them again.  It'll be someone else who scores the next scoop.

If Sweden's major interest was in burying this, instead of pressing ahead with the sex crime allegations, they'd try to quietly dispose of them.  Indeed, that could be why at first they declined to pursue them in hopes that this would all go away to the benefit of everyone except the victims. However, if the Swedes were hoping for a quid pro quo, they certainly didn't get one.

[後援会]

Highly highly highly highly highly opposed. He needs to be taken down.

[opebo]

Highly highly highly highly highly opposed. He needs to be taken down.

For which?  The murderous terrorism or the depraved rapism?

[opebo]

If it isn't possible to show some evidence then how can one reasonably bring the charge?  Is it merely the whim of anyone to accuse anyone else?

JULIAN ASSANGE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT! I got better.

Hah, good show - it is very rare one can use Monty Python allusions to good effect (without seeming merely a digressive nerd).  You have achieved this.  And oddly enough I just mentioned Gussie Fink-Nottle in another thread.

[Grumpier Than Uncle Joe]

So let's assume he ends up in Sweden and is acquited of the charges against him......what do the Swedes do?  Do they hand him his passport and say have a nice day, mate?