Republicans will always try to shut down the government when a Dem is President

[Jacobtm]

Both with Clinton and Obama, Republicans have taken the step of threatening government shutdown to achieve their goals.

This is a strategy that they will use every time a Democrat is the President.

''Everyone knows that in a hostage situation, the reckless and amoral actor has the negotiating upper hand over the cautious and responsible actor because the latter is actually concerned about the life of the hostage, while the former does not care.''

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

since you missed by post to your brother:

The voters are at fault. Everybody knows this is how the GOP plays ball. If they don't like something, they use the threat of shutdowns as leverage. Something to keep in mind for 2012.

yo, Harry from NV is the one who has this week been threatening shutdowns...during the debt talks, the Dems avoided a shutdown because they didnt want the economy to go into recession....but now that it is pretty clear we're going to double dip, the Dems know they're screwed and will attempt a shutdown in order to blame the GOP.  but the Speaker knows this

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no reply to my point, eh?

it is no secret the Dems are going to reneg on the debt deal reach in July (when the Dems still had hope in the economy) in order to force a shutdown and attempt to blame the double dip on the GOP.

but it wont work

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

so, no one is disagreeing with my claim that the Dems now want to shut the government down in order to pin the blame of the double dip on Congress?

[opebo]

so, no one is disagreeing with my claim that the Dems now want to shut the government down in order to pin the blame of the double dip on Congress?

The blame is already clearly there because of the Republican debt-default scare.  Not that it will make any difference.

But anyway if what you say is true it is encouraging.  Unlikely though, as the Democrats normally don't fight that ruthlessly.

[Torie]

No. Silly. It is like saying a Dem POTUS will always shut down the government when the Pubbies control a house of Congress. It takes two to tango, and always is more of a metaphysical concept anyway.

[opebo]

No. Silly. It is like saying a Dem POTUS will always shut down the government when the Pubbies control a house of Congress. It takes two to tango, and always is more of a metaphysical concept anyway.

No, the budget is made by the congress, Torie.

[Torie]

No. Silly. It is like saying a Dem POTUS will always shut down the government when the Pubbies control a house of Congress. It takes two to tango, and always is more of a metaphysical concept anyway.

No, the budget is made by the congress, Torie.

You missed one ingredient to the recipe - a POTUS signature.

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

so, no one is disagreeing with my claim that the Dems now want to shut the government down in order to pin the blame of the double dip on Congress?

No, we were all just stunned that anyone could really be that much of a f---ing idiot.

stick around, you wont be stunned for long

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stick around, you wont be stunned for long

OR I can just put you back on ignore so I won't have to read your inane statements.

well, if you don't think there is any reason, with a double-dipping economy, that the Dems would now attempt to force a shut down in the coming months, then you might as well put me on ignore for you already don't know how to interpret the news (the Speaker is willing to do just about anything to avoid a shutdown and it is Reid who is inflaming the tensions).

Look at it this way:  With the economy apparently headed towards double-dip (meaning Obama is screwed royally in 2012), what is there to gain politically for the GOP to shut down the government over less than 5 billion dollars?  The Speaker has already told the House freshman that he is NOT willing to shut-down the government over FEMA funding and if they don’t give him the votes, he will go to the Dems and make a deal.

Now, if I were in Obama’s shoes, who can’t run on his record so is therefore trying to run against the GOP Congress…what better way to make that argument than to remind voters that Congress is dysfunctional?  Obama was retaining hope for a economic recovery back in July, which is why he caved in order to avoid a default which would have sent the economy into a double dip, but now that it is clear the economy isn’t going to recover in time for the election, he now has every reason to attempt to pick a fight with the GOP House.

But the Speaker is smart and he’ll quietly take whatever deal he can get, thus not allowing Obama to be dealt any new cards so that Obama is stuck with his current hand.

The Speaker is simply standing pat; and without a government shutdown, Obama will be forced to stand pat..the same is true with the GOP primaries – the GOP voters are going to nominate a candidate that is conservative as possible without giving Obama any new cards (i.e. Perry is NOT going to be the nominee if he doesn’t start to show vast improvement in the debates).

Now, I know you think we GOPers are all stupid…but I’m not the one denying the obvious.

[opebo]

No. Silly. It is like saying a Dem POTUS will always shut down the government when the Pubbies control a house of Congress. It takes two to tango, and always is more of a metaphysical concept anyway.

No, the budget is made by the congress, Torie.

You missed one ingredient to the recipe - a POTUS signature.

Irrelevant in this case as the Democratic Senate will do the 'dirty work' you imagine, no?

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

stick around, you wont be stunned for long

OR I can just put you back on ignore so I won't have to read your inane statements.

well, if you don't think there is any reason, with a double-dipping economy, that the Dems would now attempt to force a shut down in the coming months, then you might as well put me on ignore for you already don't know how to interpret the news (the Speaker is willing to do just about anything to avoid a shutdown and it is Reid who is inflaming the tensions).

Look at it this way:  With the economy apparently headed towards double-dip (meaning Obama is screwed royally in 2012), what is there to gain politically for the GOP to shut down the government over less than 5 billion dollars?  The Speaker has already told the House freshman that he is NOT willing to shut-down the government over FEMA funding and if they don’t give him the votes, he will go to the Dems and make a deal.

Now, if I were in Obama’s shoes, who can’t run on his record so is therefore trying to run against the GOP Congress…what better way to make that argument than to remind voters that Congress is dysfunctional?  Obama was retaining hope for a economic recovery back in July, which is why he caved in order to avoid a default which would have sent the economy into a double dip, but now that it is clear the economy isn’t going to recover in time for the election, he now has every reason to attempt to pick a fight with the GOP House.

But the Speaker is smart and he’ll quietly take whatever deal he can get, thus not allowing Obama to be dealt any new cards so that Obama is stuck with his current hand.

The Speaker is simply standing pat; and without a government shutdown, Obama will be forced to stand pat..the same is true with the GOP primaries – the GOP voters are going to nominate a candidate that is conservative as possible without giving Obama any new cards (i.e. Perry is NOT going to be the nominee if he doesn’t start to show vast improvement in the debates).

Now, I know you think we GOPers are all stupid…but I’m not the one denying the obvious.

see, turned out exactly how I said it would..the GOP doesn't want to distract voters attention away from the double dip by putting the focus on Congress....but, of course, the Dems want the attention to be on Congess instead of on the economy

but, go ahead and place me on ignore

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Remember how much we heard about Democrats obstructing up or down votes for judges when Bush was President?  87% of Bush's judges were approved compared to 62% for Obama. The Republicans are good at whining really loudly about nothing while the Democratic messaging machine is dead.

[Jacobtm]

Remember how much we heard about Democrats obstructing up or down votes for judges when Bush was President?  87% of Bush's judges were approved compared to 62% for Obama. The Republicans are good at whining really loudly about nothing while the Democratic messaging machine is dead.

Would've been amazing if Republicans did away with the fillibuster around that time as they were threatening to. Imagine...

[Swing low, sweet chariot. Comin' for to carry me home.]

stick around, you wont be stunned for long

OR I can just put you back on ignore so I won't have to read your inane statements.

well, if you don't think there is any reason, with a double-dipping economy, that the Dems would now attempt to force a shut down in the coming months, then you might as well put me on ignore for you already don't know how to interpret the news (the Speaker is willing to do just about anything to avoid a shutdown and it is Reid who is inflaming the tensions).

Look at it this way:  With the economy apparently headed towards double-dip (meaning Obama is screwed royally in 2012), what is there to gain politically for the GOP to shut down the government over less than 5 billion dollars?  The Speaker has already told the House freshman that he is NOT willing to shut-down the government over FEMA funding and if they don’t give him the votes, he will go to the Dems and make a deal.

Now, if I were in Obama’s shoes, who can’t run on his record so is therefore trying to run against the GOP Congress…what better way to make that argument than to remind voters that Congress is dysfunctional?  Obama was retaining hope for a economic recovery back in July, which is why he caved in order to avoid a default which would have sent the economy into a double dip, but now that it is clear the economy isn’t going to recover in time for the election, he now has every reason to attempt to pick a fight with the GOP House.

But the Speaker is smart and he’ll quietly take whatever deal he can get, thus not allowing Obama to be dealt any new cards so that Obama is stuck with his current hand.

The Speaker is simply standing pat; and without a government shutdown, Obama will be forced to stand pat..the same is true with the GOP primaries – the GOP voters are going to nominate a candidate that is conservative as possible without giving Obama any new cards (i.e. Perry is NOT going to be the nominee if he doesn’t start to show vast improvement in the debates).

Now, I know you think we GOPers are all stupid…but I’m not the one denying the obvious.

see, turned out exactly how I said it would..the GOP doesn't want to distract voters attention away from the double dip by putting the focus on Congress....but, of course, the Dems want the attention to be on Congess instead of on the economy

but, go ahead and place me on ignore

and the conclusion of the matter:

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/votes/185423-house-passes-spending-stopgap-sends-to-obama

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 Obama was retaining hope for a economic recovery back in July, which is why he caved in order to avoid a default which would have sent the economy into a double dip, but now that it is clear the economy isn’t going to recover in time for the election, he now has every reason to attempt to pick a fight with the GOP House.

As much as it pains me, it is my solemn duty to inform you you have no idea what you are talking about.