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John Dibble
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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2012, 04:46:05 PM »

As I've said before, I think churches shouldn't automatically be tax exempt. They should have to prove their non-profit status just like every other organization. (though as a compromise I'm willing to keep the auto-exemption for churches that take in under a certain amount) That way organizations like Scientology whose sole reason raison d'être is to get as much money as possible can't just call themselves a religion to avoid paying the IRS.

As such I think donations to churches should only be tax deductible if the churches in question meet the non-profit criteria.
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« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2012, 12:33:30 PM »

Should charitable contributions be tax deductible in general?  Isn't that the real question?  That deduction by the way "costs" a huge amount of revenue. I know what my fix would be, but that is neither here nor there. The deduction will not be repealed. It has too many powerful interests supporting it.
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« Reply #27 on: January 08, 2012, 05:20:08 PM »

Should charitable contributions be tax deductible in general?  Isn't that the real question?  That deduction by the way "costs" a huge amount of revenue. I know what my fix would be, but that is neither here nor there. The deduction will not be repealed. It has too many powerful interests supporting it.

No, that isn't "the real question."  It is within the bounds of the Constitution to tax charitable contributions, but, not religion. The power to tax is the power to destroy. There is no Constitution protection for "charity," but, there is a Constitutional protection for religion.
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2012, 09:40:27 PM »

Should charitable contributions be tax deductible in general?  Isn't that the real question?  That deduction by the way "costs" a huge amount of revenue. I know what my fix would be, but that is neither here nor there. The deduction will not be repealed. It has too many powerful interests supporting it.

No, that isn't "the real question."  It is within the bounds of the Constitution to tax charitable contributions, but, not religion. The power to tax is the power to destroy. There is no Constitution protection for "charity," but, there is a Constitutional protection for religion.

Taxing charities like everyone else is taxed is hardly "destroying," and has never been so held by SCOTUS, and never will. So on this one, the policy merits are the thing, not invoking the Constitution bomb. Why is it, that so often, that bomb is dropped, typically inappropriately as a legal matter, in lieu of arguing the policy merits of an issue? That is one of my problems with the Tea Party. They drop the C bomb as often as eating cereal for breakfast, generally in ways that no court would agree with, now or ever. It is largely just an ineffectual waste of time really, as folks just marginalize folks who engage in that sort of chatter.
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« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2012, 09:42:59 PM »

The power to tax being the same as the power to destroy strikes me as Insane Troll Logic, even if it was used by the Supreme Court. It's not it's the only time they've resorted to ITL after all.
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« Reply #30 on: January 10, 2012, 02:36:21 AM »
« Edited: January 10, 2012, 02:39:41 AM by BigSkyBob »

Should charitable contributions be tax deductible in general?  Isn't that the real question?  That deduction by the way "costs" a huge amount of revenue. I know what my fix would be, but that is neither here nor there. The deduction will not be repealed. It has too many powerful interests supporting it.

No, that isn't "the real question."  It is within the bounds of the Constitution to tax charitable contributions, but, not religion. The power to tax is the power to destroy. There is no Constitution protection for "charity," but, there is a Constitutional protection for religion.

Taxing charities like everyone else is taxed is hardly "destroying," and has never been so held by SCOTUS, and never will.

Well, SCOTUS may never had said, "The power to tax is the power to destroy."  It was Ronald Reagan. Given the opportunity to side with either the Supreme Court, or Reagan, I choose to side with Reagan.

It is mathematically obvious: if the government, in principle, has the right to tax 5% of the receipts of a charity, then it has the right to tax 100% of the receipts of charities. That is, in principle, the state has the power to effectively ban organized charity. Unfortunately, the same is true of you, or I. In principle, the Constitution grants the federal government the right to impose a 100% tax on your income, or mine.

Fortunately, religion is protected by the Constitution. In principle, the state cannot effectively ban religion. Claiming that the state has the right to tax religion, is, in principle, claiming the state has the right to ban religion by imposing a 100% on its receipts.

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Charity can be decided on the policy merits, but, the Constitution is clear concerning religion.

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That the fallacy of assuming your own conclusion. Since you are assuming your own conclusions, why don't you just assume your speculations in that regard are correct and share them with us?

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Back in the thirties, FDR tried to regulate farm production. He crossed the line when he tried to dictate to farmers what they could and could not grow for their own personal use. The Court ruled that since the food he ate wasn't sold it effected interstate commerce.

I happen to believe that that was an action of a banana republic, not a Constitutional Republic. Apparently, we have a profound disagree there.

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King George might have had a different opinion on that one.

Look, for example, I don't think Marxists are being realistic if they believe that a state based on the principle, "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs!," will ever exist. That said, I don't begrudge them the right to pursue an ideal even if it is impractical and profoundly immoral. I believe the appropriate response to Marxists is to answer their arguments, not, take a posture of a condescending derision towards them.  
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2012, 11:57:21 AM »

People are actually engaging BigSkyBob in a serious debate? LOL.
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