PA 2018: Wolf vs Wagner

[President Johnson]

Wolf won more than 2014, but you wouldn't know from looking at the map.

2014 (55%-45%):


2018 (58%-41%):

Wow, I thought Fetterman would bring in more votes from Western Pennsylvania?

However, I'm glad Wagner got crushed. A well deserved loss. Wolf and Fetterman will make a good team.

[wbrocks67]

The margins for Wolf in the suburbs are eye-popping. Seeing him at nearly 70% in my home county (Montco) is amazing.

[IceSpear]

The margins for Wolf in the suburbs are eye-popping. Seeing him at nearly 70% in my home county (Montco) is amazing.

Wolf winning Cumberland County was also amazing to see. Even Santorum and Corbett landslided there. He even came close in Lancaster County!

The times, they are a changin.

[Wisconsin SC Race 2019]

It's truly a new day in Pennsylvania. Great repudiation of the GOP and reduction of their power in the legislature. 

[Storr]

I know this is thinking way ahead, but hopefully we have a Senator Wolf in 2024.

[IceSpear]

I know this is thinking way ahead, but hopefully we have a Senator Wolf in 2024.

You mean 2022?

Wolf is kind of old, so I'm not sure if he'd be interested or not. But of course he'd be an excellent candidate against Toomey. Incumbent governors like Hassan, Scott, etc. seem to do way better than old washed up former governors like Bredesen, Lingle, Bayh, Kerrey, Pawlenty, Thompson, Strickland, etc.

Though how vulnerable Toomey ends up being probably depends on 2020. If Trump wins, he could very well be DOA. If Trump loses, he'll probably be favored.

[lfromnj]

I know this is thinking way ahead, but hopefully we have a Senator Wolf in 2024.

You mean 2022?

Wolf is kind of old, so I'm not sure if he'd be interested or not. But of course he'd be an excellent candidate against Toomey. Incumbent governors like Hassan, Scott, etc. seem to do way better than old washed up former governors like Bredesen, Lingle, Bayh, Kerrey, Pawlenty, Thompson, Strickland, etc.

Though how vulnerable Toomey ends up being probably depends on 2020. If Trump wins, he could very well be DOA. If Trump loses, he'll probably be favored.

Btw what are your hopes on Bullock in 2020 senate?

Atleast Tester didn't get btfo unlike the other 2 in trump+20 states.

[wbrocks67]

I think Josh Shapiro would be a great Senator. He won even in an R year (2016).

Meanwhile, I'm still pissed that PA-10 and PA-16 were so damn close that we *almost* had them.

[Comrade Funk]

I think Josh Shapiro would be a great Senator. He won even in an R year (2016).

Meanwhile, I'm still pissed that PA-10 and PA-16 were so damn close that we *almost* had them.

I agree. Shapiro has done a lot of good exposing the Catholic Church.

[Sprouts Farmers Market ✘]

Tom Wolf would be an atrocious Senate candidate. Absolutely no charisma and nothing about him screams legislator. I absolutely wouldn't vote for Shapiro for the reasons stated above, but at least you can see why he is an obviously good candidate.

[DINGO Joe]

The margins for Wolf in the suburbs are eye-popping. Seeing him at nearly 70% in my home county (Montco) is amazing.

Wolf winning Cumberland County was also amazing to see. Even Santorum and Corbett landslided there. He even came close in Lancaster County!

The times, they are a changin.

Lancaster was pretty amazing.  It's time the Ds run a Stoltzfus for Congress.

[mianfei]

Wolf winning Cumberland County was also amazing to see. Even Santorum and Corbett landslided there. He even came close in Lancaster County.

What actually shocked me upon looking at the 2018 Pennsylvania gubernatorial election results was that the Democrats managed to lose by only single digits in Union County, and that in 2014 Wolf had even outperformed LBJ there – almost unprecedented in 2010s Appalachia! Does anyone know why Wolf has done so relatively well in an Appalachian Regional Commission county that has never voted for a Democratic Presidential candidate for 186 years??

[Seattle]

That would be due the presence of a growing liberal arts college: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucknell_University

[Badger]

My hardcore Republican Soft-Trump supporter father just called me today and said he can't support Wagner. He wants to write-in Fetterman.

Same with my angry old white guy dad.  He’s disgusted with Wagner and is going to either write-in or vote Libertarian.

I'm genuinely jealous of you guys in Shadow of the wave being able to watch your conservative old fathers register their disgust with Wagner and support wolf. My father is a longtime conservative in the Heritage Foundation mold, which he's contributed to a fair bit over the years. He's I suppose moderate on social issues, but a better way of describing it would be apathetic. Despite he and my mother having some gay friends in a number of acquaintances from their support of the Arts community oh, he was opposed to gay marriage before oberfell purely on the basis of tradition. Understand my father is agnostic. And there was no religious basis to his opposition. It was merely the way things have been for thousands of years so why change it. He's probably technically pro-choice in that if there was a referendum on the subject, so long as it didn't involve a penny of tax dollars being spent in support of it, he probably vote against repealing abortion rights. It just doesn't ranked in the top hundred factors to affect his vote, registering somewhere just below a candidate's position on shower tile grout.

Economically though, he's about as far right-wing as you can come without being some Paul tard that supports returning to the gold standard or getting rid of the Federal Reserve, both of which he thinks is absurd course having been a CPA for most of his life. But otherwise he's every bit as economically right-wing is Mitt Romney, perhaps more so, and further believe that global warming is a hoax having sustained much of his income over the years from the natural gas industry.

Anyway, he is an upright and moral man. I do recall fondly one time in a 1986 Senate race that he actually to my shock voted Democratic. Well, he also contributed to Jason Altmeyer when he first ran for congress, but I think that was for the primary, because they both served on the same Library board of directors. Anyway, I asked him why he voted so uncharacteristically oh, and he said that he briefly met our Republican state representative who was the Republican nominee for state senate at some JC's function picnic. He was just so personally turned off at what I'm glad handing back-slapping Jackass the guy was that he voted against him.

Fast forward 25 years, and I was almost broken-hearted to find out my dad voted for Wagner because he's convinced wolf has raised his taxes or will continue to do so. The guy who couldn't vote for a boorish jackass for state senate supported a guy who threatened to stomp on his opponents face with golf cleats for governor. I was so distraught and this bothered me, and frankly still bothers me, that I had to have a private talk with my younger sister, also a progressive, on how to deal with that. It's one thing to have different political views from your parents, but it's another to see them abandon an adherence to their fundamental core beliefs of requiring decency and integrity out of their elected officials first and foremost, not promises to cut taxes.

[Continential]

My hardcore Republican Soft-Trump supporter father just called me today and said he can't support Wagner. He wants to write-in Fetterman.

Same with my angry old white guy dad.  He’s disgusted with Wagner and is going to either write-in or vote Libertarian.

I'm genuinely jealous of you guys in Shadow of the wave being able to watch your conservative old fathers register their disgust with Wagner and support wolf. My father is a longtime conservative in the Heritage Foundation mold, which he's contributed to a fair bit over the years. He's I suppose moderate on social issues, but a better way of describing it would be apathetic. Despite he and my mother having some gay friends in a number of acquaintances from their support of the Arts community oh, he was opposed to gay marriage before oberfell purely on the basis of tradition. Understand my father is agnostic. And there was no religious basis to his opposition. It was merely the way things have been for thousands of years so why change it. He's probably technically pro-choice in that if there was a referendum on the subject, so long as it didn't involve a penny of tax dollars being spent in support of it, he probably vote against repealing abortion rights. It just doesn't ranked in the top hundred factors to affect his vote, registering somewhere just below a candidate's position on shower tile grout.

Economically though, he's about as far right-wing as you can come without being some Paul tard that supports returning to the gold standard or getting rid of the Federal Reserve, both of which he thinks is absurd course having been a CPA for most of his life. But otherwise he's every bit as economically right-wing is Mitt Romney, perhaps more so, and further believe that global warming is a hoax having sustained much of his income over the years from the natural gas industry.

Anyway, he is an upright and moral man. I do recall fondly one time in a 1986 Senate race that he actually to my shock voted Democratic. Well, he also contributed to Jason Altmeyer when he first ran for congress, but I think that was for the primary, because they both served on the same Library board of directors. Anyway, I asked him why he voted so uncharacteristically oh, and he said that he briefly met our Republican state representative who was the Republican nominee for state senate at some JC's function picnic. He was just so personally turned off at what I'm glad handing back-slapping Jackass the guy was that he voted against him.

Fast forward 25 years, and I was almost broken-hearted to find out my dad voted for Wagner because he's convinced wolf has raised his taxes or will continue to do so. The guy who couldn't vote for a boorish jackass for state senate supported a guy who threatened to stomp on his opponents face with golf cleats for governor. I was so distraught and this bothered me, and frankly still bothers me, that I had to have a private talk with my younger sister, also a progressive, on how to deal with that. It's one thing to have different political views from your parents, but it's another to see them abandon an adherence to their fundamental core beliefs of requiring decency and integrity out of their elected officials first and foremost, not promises to cut taxes.

and even if he has, the GOP would have to pass it first.

[ctherainbow]

My hardcore Republican Soft-Trump supporter father just called me today and said he can't support Wagner. He wants to write-in Fetterman.

Same with my angry old white guy dad.  He’s disgusted with Wagner and is going to either write-in or vote Libertarian.

I'm genuinely jealous of you guys in Shadow of the wave being able to watch your conservative old fathers register their disgust with Wagner and support wolf. My father is a longtime conservative in the Heritage Foundation mold, which he's contributed to a fair bit over the years. He's I suppose moderate on social issues, but a better way of describing it would be apathetic. Despite he and my mother having some gay friends in a number of acquaintances from their support of the Arts community oh, he was opposed to gay marriage before oberfell purely on the basis of tradition. Understand my father is agnostic. And there was no religious basis to his opposition. It was merely the way things have been for thousands of years so why change it. He's probably technically pro-choice in that if there was a referendum on the subject, so long as it didn't involve a penny of tax dollars being spent in support of it, he probably vote against repealing abortion rights. It just doesn't ranked in the top hundred factors to affect his vote, registering somewhere just below a candidate's position on shower tile grout.

Economically though, he's about as far right-wing as you can come without being some Paul tard that supports returning to the gold standard or getting rid of the Federal Reserve, both of which he thinks is absurd course having been a CPA for most of his life. But otherwise he's every bit as economically right-wing is Mitt Romney, perhaps more so, and further believe that global warming is a hoax having sustained much of his income over the years from the natural gas industry.

Anyway, he is an upright and moral man. I do recall fondly one time in a 1986 Senate race that he actually to my shock voted Democratic. Well, he also contributed to Jason Altmeyer when he first ran for congress, but I think that was for the primary, because they both served on the same Library board of directors. Anyway, I asked him why he voted so uncharacteristically oh, and he said that he briefly met our Republican state representative who was the Republican nominee for state senate at some JC's function picnic. He was just so personally turned off at what I'm glad handing back-slapping Jackass the guy was that he voted against him.

Fast forward 25 years, and I was almost broken-hearted to find out my dad voted for Wagner because he's convinced wolf has raised his taxes or will continue to do so. The guy who couldn't vote for a boorish jackass for state senate supported a guy who threatened to stomp on his opponents face with golf cleats for governor. I was so distraught and this bothered me, and frankly still bothers me, that I had to have a private talk with my younger sister, also a progressive, on how to deal with that. It's one thing to have different political views from your parents, but it's another to see them abandon an adherence to their fundamental core beliefs of requiring decency and integrity out of their elected officials first and foremost, not promises to cut taxes.

Sorry about your dad.  *hug*  I’ve had a similar experience with my mom; she used to be a paragon of virtue for me when she was growing up, and I’ve had to watch her turn into a Trumpster.  She was also disappointed when Wolf won, and would’ve likely voted for Wagner if she still lived in PA.

[Flyersfan232]

I know this is thinking way ahead, but hopefully we have a Senator Wolf in 2024.

You mean 2022?

Wolf is kind of old, so I'm not sure if he'd be interested or not. But of course he'd be an excellent candidate against Toomey. Incumbent governors like Hassan, Scott, etc. seem to do way better than old washed up former governors like Bredesen, Lingle, Bayh, Kerrey, Pawlenty, Thompson, Strickland, etc.

Though how vulnerable Toomey ends up being probably depends on 2020. If Trump wins, he could very well be DOA. If Trump loses, he'll probably be favored.

I can’t see wolf as a senator.