Opinion of Armenia

[I spent the winter writing songs about getting better]

If some sort of group that is "God's chosen people" exist as a country (which I find very unlikely), then THIS must be it, not Israel. True Freedom Country.

[War on Want]

Big FC.

[dead0man]

Like all of the former Soviet states, FC until they give me reason to think otherwise and Armenia has not so ...FC.

..and yes, like the Kurds and Jews, they are an amazingly hardy people who've been sh**t on more than their fair share by the rest of us (and have gotten a lot less back than the Jews have).  As a people, they deserve our sympathies.

[Alexander Hamilton]

Like all of the former Soviet states, FC until they give me reason to think otherwise and Armenia has not so ...FC.

..and yes, like the Kurds and Jews, they are an amazingly hardy people who've been sh**t on more than their fair share by the rest of us (and have gotten a lot less back than the Jews have).  As a people, they deserve our sympathies.

[patrick1]

I admittedly don't know much about their current government but I vote FC for sustaining many centuries of being sh@t upon by the Turks and then Soviets.  

I read a good book, genre shifting book on the Armenian genocide and Armenian America several years back called Black Dog of Fate.  I'd recommend it if you ever come across it.

[Antonio the Sixth]

For once I have to agree with BRTD. Armenians have always been persecuted by both Tukishs and Russians, and the fact they still refuse to recognize it is the shame of Turkey.

[GMantis]

This is of course a great freedom country.
I see that Russophobia is again clouding the minds of many here. Russia might have occupied Armenia, but they have also been their greatest ally. Note, for example, which part of Armenia was occupied by Russia and which part still exists. See also the Nagorno-Karabakh war.
Not to mention that Muslims have mistreated Armenians for a 1000 years, while Russia did not arrive in Armenian lands until the 19th century, so comparing the influence of the two is rather ridiculous.

[Antonio the Sixth]

Russia and Turkey both dismembered Armenia. Russia even gave Turkey an additional territory that was part of Armenia.
Fortunately, USSR broke so that a shamefully small Armenian country could exist.

[GMantis]

Russia and Turkey both dismembered Armenia. Russia even gave Turkey an additional territory that was part of Armenia.
Fortunately, USSR broke so that a shamefully small Armenian country could exist.

That was the USSR. The USSR at this point was friendly with Turkey and preferred the Azerbaijani. Russia has been generally far more friendly with Armenia.
That such a small Armenia exist is indeed shameful and almost entirely the responsibility of Turkey. Russia takes some credit for the fact that at least Karabakh is under Armenian control.
Again, see which part of Armenia was under Russian and which under Turkish and where there are Armenians today.
In any case, how has Russia persecuted Armenians? Occupying Armenia is not the same as persecuting them.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It was not the right word.

Anyways, that was not USSR that invaded Armenia but the Russian Empire. And we could discuss for centuries on what was Russia and what wasn't...

[GMantis]

It was not the right word.

Anyways, that was not USSR that invaded Armenia but the Russian Empire. And we could discuss for centuries on what was Russia and what wasn't...

The Russian Empire didn't invade Armenia, they invaded Persia, probably to the approval of the Armenian population.

[TeePee4Prez]

Big FC.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It was not the right word.

Anyways, that was not USSR that invaded Armenia but the Russian Empire. And we could discuss for centuries on what was Russia and what wasn't...

The Russian Empire didn't invade Armenia, they invaded Persia, probably to the approval of the Armenian population.

If you say so...

[GMantis]

It was not the right word.

Anyways, that was not USSR that invaded Armenia but the Russian Empire. And we could discuss for centuries on what was Russia and what wasn't...

The Russian Empire didn't invade Armenia, they invaded Persia, probably to the approval of the Armenian population.

If you say so...

Of course, no poll was taken, but considering that Armenians were treated as second class citizens and were routinely abused by their Muslim neighbours, not to mention cases like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Armenia#Armenians_and_the_Sassanid_Empire
I stand by my opinion.

[Antonio the Sixth]

It was not the right word.

Anyways, that was not USSR that invaded Armenia but the Russian Empire. And we could discuss for centuries on what was Russia and what wasn't...

The Russian Empire didn't invade Armenia, they invaded Persia, probably to the approval of the Armenian population.

If you say so...

Of course, no poll was taken, but considering that Armenians were treated as second class citizens and were routinely abused by their Muslim neighbours, not to mention cases like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Armenia#Armenians_and_the_Sassanid_Empire
I stand by my opinion.

I never said Persians were better than Russians, just that they also occupied a part of Armenian territory, exactly as Persia or Turkey did. No reason to make differences.

[GMantis]

It was not the right word.

Anyways, that was not USSR that invaded Armenia but the Russian Empire. And we could discuss for centuries on what was Russia and what wasn't...

The Russian Empire didn't invade Armenia, they invaded Persia, probably to the approval of the Armenian population.

If you say so...

Of course, no poll was taken, but considering that Armenians were treated as second class citizens and were routinely abused by their Muslim neighbours, not to mention cases like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persian_Armenia#Armenians_and_the_Sassanid_Empire
I stand by my opinion.

I never said Persians were better than Russians, just that they also occupied a part of Armenian territory, exactly as Persia or Turkey did. No reason to make differences.

At least the Russians didn't treat them as dhimmis.