Derek Chauvin trial megathread (SENTENCED TO 22.5 YEARS IN PRISON)

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Minneapolis firefighter says she was prevented from helping George Floyd by police officers at the scene.

Minneapolis firefighter Genevieve Hansen testified that when she came upon the scene, police officers prevented her from helping George Floyd.

Hansen, who is also a licensed EMT, said she identified herself to the officers on the scene. She said that former officer Tou Thao told her not to get involved.

"He said something along the lines of if you really are a Minneapolis firefighter, you would know better than to get involved," she said.
She said that trying to help is "exactly what I should have done."

"There was no medical assistance on scene and I got there and I could have given medical assistance. That's exactly what I should have done," she said.

Hansen began to get emotional on the stand as she testified about not being able to help Floyd. Asked if the officers' response that day frustrated her, with tears in her eyes, Hansen choked up as she responded "yes."

When you read details like this, it is so frustrating and angers me greatly.

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I'm really scared of the outcome of this trial.  The media and activists have already convicted Chauvin, anything less than life in prison will result in widespread rioting.  A full out not guilty verdict would be disastrous.  I guess on the bright side, it would show a large number of regular Americans how unhinged the left is, especially if this gets better media coverage with less going on.  Republican supermajority in 2022?

You don't need to worry about what the "media and activists" have already did/said (in the past).
Just watch the trial that is happening right now.
If you knew nothing about what was previously said, and instead, just watched the trial (and the facts of the matter) you would just-want-to-vomit from what you are seeing and hearing.
Anger is expected and would come natural to anyone with even an atom of morals/ethics.

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And the cashier said he wasn't sure Floyd knew it was counterfeit, which is why he accepted the bill initially. So Floyd may not have done anything wrong besides freak out about being confronted by the police. (I don't consider the drug use wrong, though unwise.)

Sadly, I'm convinced that Floyd may have been the only 1 that had know idea what the heck was going on  that day. Mr Floyd was under the influence and his friend may have taken advantage of the fact and knowingly gave Floyd money that he knew was fake
 
I know full well if I went Into a store and gave a cashier a fake 20 I would have gotten the heck out there the second I made it to my car lol

Floyd did not do that and gave the cashier more than enough time to go out there to confront him and after they speak with him He just sits in the car and waits for the police to show up. He made no attempt whatsoever to flee the scene and his behavior that day simply does not strike me as someone who knew that 20 was fake.

Could you not apologize for giving them a bad bill, and just ask (the clerk/store) for it back?
I remember my dad giving the bank a bad $100 dollar bill (not knowing it was fake, of course) and the bank gave him credit for it and just took the bill (but they needed to fill-out a report for the Treasury/Fed).

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For such a quick decision, my guess is that he is guilty on all counts.
He is toast.
But we await the decision ...

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I think hung jury is the most likely outcome, but he is so unbelievably guilty.

Nooooo. Stop.
The court says there is a verdict.
Not only is there a zero % chance of a hung jury, but it is a negative probability percentage for such a scenario.

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They are talking about how bystander video was very helpful in showing what happened, with many different angles of view.
One thing I would like to see nationally, is that all police personnel allow the public to self-video all encounters (at a safe/adequate distance).
I consistently see that officers stand intentionally between the public and "the action." They do it not to create a security barrier (even though this is their excuse), but to block those people with cameras (cell phones) from getting clear(er) video. You sometimes see that when a member of the public moves to one side to get a better angle without the officers in the way, the officer then moves again to block that position/angle.
This goes against the concept of transparency for all police encounters. (What do they have to hide, if they say they always follow proper protocols?).

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For such a quick decision, my guess is that he is guilty on all counts.
He is toast.
But we await the decision ...

I told you guys.
Guilty on all 3 counts.

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He goes directly to jail now, right?
Even before the sentencing court event/date?

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He goes directly to jail now, right?
Even before the sentencing court event/date?

Motion was passed in the courtroom to revoke bail, so it seems so. At least according to the footage I saw on BBC News. Chauvin was led away, cuffed.

Yep. Judge revoked his bond and remanded him into custody.

Good.
Thanks for the clarification & I love the image.

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Someone on the news is saying that there could be looting and destruction tonight in Minneapolis.
Why?
This would be awful. Please people of MN, don't ruin this day.

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https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1384637677102841857

I'm just going to call her a bitch and not be sorry about it. She's a racist bitch.

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https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1384665501616545793?s=20
Why do they keep doing this?

I have no idea.
But I hate the verbiage some are using. People (and especially his loved ones) should want him alive and around them.

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It's a damn cartoon.

It's a cartoon with a message that implies that a verdict should be about something other than proving a defendant guilty or innocent beyond a reasonable doubt.  ALL Lives Matter.  ALL Lives Matter EQUALLY.  That's God's view on it.  No, I will not pretend otherwise.

The trial was not about whether or not Black Lives Mattered or not; it was about whether or not Derek Chauvin's actions caused George Floyd's death, and whether or not those actions rose to the level of the crimes he was charged with.  Trials should not be about anything else, period.  

What this trial has is the look of a coerced verdict.  This, of course, does not mean that Chauvin was not guilty, and I am certainly not saying that.  But it is indisputable that the threat of massive violent demonstrations would occur in the event of an unsatisfactory verdict; this threat was never disputed and never downplayed by the media, and there was little reason to believe that this threat would be met with enough resistance to preempt significant damage.  What will happen if, indeed, Derek Chauvin's case IS reversed on appeal, even in part where the most severe charges are thrown out?  

How would YOU feel if it were YOU, or a loved one on trial, and the actions of others caused you to believe that the jury would be at risk for their own well-being, or the well-being of their city, if they returned a factual verdict that was not what a mob threatening violence wanted?  There is no place in a free, open, and honest society for a jury to have to think of the consequences if their proper verdict will be received with violence.  It may well be that in this case, the jury's verdict squared with the facts, but do appearances not matter here?  What happens to actual "justice" when the specter of mob violence is a factor at every significant jury trial?

Appearances matter in criminal justice.  What confidence can anyone have in a Criminal Justice system when the verdicts of juries have the appearance of being influenced by the coercive attempts of mobs?  Once that becomes a norm, there will never be such a thing as closure.  I would pray that those people who are sincerely liberal (in the true sense of the word) will stop enabling those elements in our society that seek not actual justice, but vengeance through coercion.

You're really not very smart, are you?  Black Lives Matter is in no way saying that black lives matter more than other lives.  It's a statement that black lives so often do not seem to matter, and they should matter equally to other lives.  If you don't understand that, no one can help you.

He never ceases to amaze me (in the most negative way possible).
Every chance he gets, he needs to degrade the BLM movement, and in essence dog-on black citizens through-out our nation.

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Violent looters are not "peaceful protesters," and nobody cares about what Christians think of this subject.

Oh come-on John Dule.
It's the usual lines of Scripture, accompanied with a small pinch (more like a handful) of HATE.