China/Trump ongoing proposal of TARIFFS. Dangerous trade war imminent

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During the Dengist era China has had zero recessions, the United States has had five, one every 8 years (1980, 1981-82, 1990-91, 2001 and 2008-09), it's funny that the US growing like 2-2.2% is excellent but China growing 6.5% is disappointing.

It's easy to grow big numbers when you're:
a.not very big in the first place
2.fudging the numbers
III.can literally murder people if they don't do what you want

Winnie the Pooh is a dictator.

It's easy to grow big numbers and brag about it when you:
1. Had 200 years of colonialism to get a head start

Nice to see you already resorted to the fudging the numbers argument. Meanwhile, on the murdering people department, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world and its police forces kill blacks because they are black.

Global South sees the United States as a dictator, especially the middle east, but I guess they are a bunch of "muslim barbarians" because they revolt from getting bombed by the racist empire.

Except the US wasn’t a colonial power either
And Europe spent most of the US first 120 years trying to Sabotage  it as well

I mean there is manifest destiny, the warping of the Monroe doctrine and the rise of imperialism in the late 19th century to consider. Most rich countries, even minnows like New Zealand, have imperialist designs. Of course, where I would disagree with our friend here is that I feel China's ruling elite is just as willing to jump aboard the train as Europe, Japan and the US did during the 19th century.

By definition the US expanding from the Atlantic to the Pacific cant count as colonialism because all that territory didn't became different colonies they became states and all those states had the same rights the original 13 states had.

Maybe "colonialism" is the wrong term to describe the expansion of the USA from "the Atlantic to the Pacific," but it is NOT because of the foolish reason(s) you have posted here.

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I seriously hope they're going to disproportionately hurt Trump states. Those f-ckers wanted it, so I want to make sure they're the ones that take it on the chin. California voted for Hillary, thank you very much. We have no interest in a trade war.

People continue to post this sick sh!t and some people are defending it. One of the worst things about the atlas left.

I don't know why we should discuss a trade war as if it were an act of God or a misfortune befalling voters when this has always been a clear and predictable outcome of electing a protectionist deranged President.

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The US , Canada, Europe, Israel, India, Japan, South Korea should unite against the China and demand China do these things or all of them together will put trade restrictions on them(while they increase trade with each other) ....

Are you on the same planet as the rest of us? ...
Where do you get such bizarre "economic" ideas?
The chances of this happening are close to zero, so why even discuss it.

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While I 100% oppose Trump's Tariffs on Canada and the EU , I partially support them on China because China has already been waging a trade war against the United States and it is time for the United States to respond.

And when China places an equal amount of tariffs on our exports, the net effect from tariffs is zero. Except you and I pay more for many items, some US businesses do benefit, but some others will be harmed (and some may shut-down).
Is that what you want? There is no substantial, overall benefit to the USA or its citizens, unless China doesn't retaliate (which is not going to happen).

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While I 100% oppose Trump's Tariffs on Canada and the EU , I partially support them on China because China has already been waging a trade war against the United States and it is time for the United States to respond.

And when China places an equal amount of tariffs on our exports, the net effect from tariffs is zero. Except you and I pay more for many items, some US businesses do benefit, but some others will be harmed (and some may shut-down).
Is that what you want? There is no substantial, overall benefit to the USA or its citizens, unless China doesn't retaliate (which is not going to happen).

China are currency manipulators
They steal intellectual property
And they are a threat in the pacific
Threats must be dealt with  

And this may all be true, but you didn't answer my question.
If China retaliates in equal form, we are back to square-one, and they are still getting-away with everything you just pointed-out.
So how does that solve anything? Where does that help us? Consumers, employees (and some businesses) here in the USA are hurt.
I don't care to pay more for items I purchase, because the Orange-Narcissist-ManChild is having a world-wide trade tantrum.

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While I 100% oppose Trump's Tariffs on Canada and the EU , I partially support them on China because China has already been waging a trade war against the United States and it is time for the United States to respond.

And when China places an equal amount of tariffs on our exports, the net effect from tariffs is zero. Except you and I pay more for many items, some US businesses do benefit, but some others will be harmed (and some may shut-down).
Is that what you want? There is no substantial, overall benefit to the USA or its citizens, unless China doesn't retaliate (which is not going to happen).

China are currency manipulators
They steal intellectual property
And they are a threat in the pacific
Threats must be dealt with  

And this may all be true, but you didn't answer my question.
If China retaliates in equal form, we are back to square-one, and they are still getting-away with everything you just pointed-out.
So how does that solve anything? Where does that help us? Consumers, employees (and some businesses) here in the USA are hurt.
I don't care to pay more for items I purchase, because the Orange-Narcissist-ManChild is having a world-wide trade tantrum.

Well yes thats true and that why I only partially support it and not fully. The reason I dont fully support it is because Trump strategy towards this is terrible.

I would prefer doing it the way Romney planned: Get LAFTA passed, TPP passed (Trump stupitly withdrew) and then do this because then we have trade partners we can trade with who can give us goods at the same price China does

Well, then you and I are in general agreement.
I also thought that TPP would have been good for the USA, to fight the trade "injustices" that China was committing (the ones you listed). It would have given us a Pacific-wide trade association without China as a member, and this could have been used to our advantage (and would have greatly helped the other Pacific nations in the association).
But because it was "an Obama idea," the Orange Clown and his cult followers dismissed it and now we are all in this mess that trump created.

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https://twitter.com/kaitlancollins/status/1008854837541441537

You have got to be f***ing kidding me!
This administration is a disaster!

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China is going to run out of things to Tariff.

That not really an issue.
If for example trump adds a 20% tariff on $200 billion worth of products, China can equal that by charging (for example) a 100% tariff on $40 billion worth of products.
It equates to the same thing.

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There is now talk from the Idiot-In-Chief that if China retaliates to trump's 2nd threat of $200 billion of tariffs, that the Orange Clown will enact a 3rd wave of tariffs.

When does it end? What is this moron doing?

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So .... it begins ....

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I wouldn’t mind this if Trump didn’t alienate our other trade partners ...

Just today, during a press conference with Poland's President Andrzej Duda, trump said that the US has been ripped off by everyone, including the European Union.
And then looking over to the Polish President, pointing that his country is in the EU.
This is totally embarrassing.

Watch video of this, here: https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2018/09/18/trump-presser-eu-ripping-united-states-off-nr-sot-vpx.cnn

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