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Question: Creationism
#1
Yes, Young Earth
 
#2
Yes, Old Earth
 
#3
Theistic Evolutionist
 
#4
Of course not!
 
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bedstuy
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« on: June 02, 2015, 03:37:03 PM »

I don't think "theistic evolutionist" is a meaningful term.  Does that make people "theistic gravity-ists" and "theistic atomic theory-ists?"  The science has nothing to do with your beliefs about supernatural phenomena.

Evolution makes no statement about God.
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bedstuy
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2015, 05:39:50 PM »

I don't think "theistic evolutionist" is a meaningful term.  Does that make people "theistic gravity-ists" and "theistic atomic theory-ists?"  The science has nothing to do with your beliefs about supernatural phenomena.

Evolution makes no statement about God.
Theistic evolution is a term meaning that God exists and that he guided the process or at least started it.

That is better put as you believe in 1. Evolution and 2. God.  One is science, one is religion.
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bedstuy
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2015, 06:29:07 PM »

Theistic evolutionist.  Unlike gravity and the atomic theory, evolution and often-conflated scientific fields (like cosmology, abiogenesis, etc.) probes far deeper into fields that were once occupied solely by religion and philosophy, like the development of life. As such, I'm going to have to disagree with bedstuy when he says evolution has nothing to do with religion.  Yes, the theory certainly doesn't have to, but when a theory of origins challenges the traditional, literal interpretation of a religious text, then such terms as "theistic evolutionists" need to be used to demonstrate how both views can be harmonized. 

Personally, I find young-Earth creationists rather amusing and mostly full of BS.  There have been times I've joked about becoming a creation scientist because it seems like one of the easiest feels known to man. 

However, I also feel there's very little difference between an old-Earth creationist and a theistic evolutionist in reality.  Hugh Ross, an old-Earth creationist, explains the fossil record by saying (something of the effect) "God creates a new kind of animal when he wants to over the timeframe seen in the fossil record."  While that's certainly not how a biologist would put it, it's certainly not "science denial" to the same extent as the YECs, who are pretty willfully ignorant.

Think of it this way, religion can change to accommodate science, but science can't change to accommodate religion.  Because, science is a reflection of empirical research about actual reality, but religion is a belief-system that depends on human's spirituality and personal feelings and interpretations.

There's no reason to necessarily believe that the Bible is literally true or that the Bible should be taken to deny the fact of evolution.  So, people can believe that evolution fits with their religion, no problem.

But, you're never going to use the concept of "God" to guide how you interpret science or the empirical evidence that demonstrates evolution.  You're never going to say, "I know that God exists, therefore..."  There are no "theistic evolution" classes, or scientific articles or journals.  God has no part of science, it's just that people can believe in God and also use science. 
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