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bedstuy
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« on: December 10, 2013, 07:50:39 PM »
« edited: December 10, 2013, 07:55:10 PM by bedstuy »

I certainly don't support anything this extreme.  I would prefer to regulate guns rather than ban them completely.

When it comes to handguns, I would support a general handgun ban in major cities, excluding law enforcement and similar public safety officers.  Then, I would create a system of registration and strict liability fines.  I would basically create a liability regime for gun makers, dealers and owners, require all gun owners to buy insurance, register their weapon, only sell through a highly regulated market.  My strategy would basically try to increase the price of guns and use liability concerns for makers, dealers and users as an incentive to clean up the black market and self-regulate.
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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2013, 07:06:24 PM »

I honestly don't get how anyone can believe that a ban on handguns will make handguns more difficult to obtain than how difficult it is to obtain marijuana now (that being not difficult at all.)

     For that matter, consider how well Prohibition worked out. History does not bear out an argument that banning handguns would be successful.

US firearm deaths per 100,000: 10.3
UK firearm deaths per 100,000: .25
Italy firearm deaths per 100,000: 1.28
Canada firearm deaths per 100,000: 2.38

Other industrialized nations regulate firearms far more stringently and they have far less gun violence.  We have a long way to go culturally and in terms of urban violence, but it's not surprising that regulation actually works when implemented in a smart way.
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2013, 07:32:23 PM »

I honestly don't get how anyone can believe that a ban on handguns will make handguns more difficult to obtain than how difficult it is to obtain marijuana now (that being not difficult at all.)

     For that matter, consider how well Prohibition worked out. History does not bear out an argument that banning handguns would be successful.

US firearm deaths per 100,000: 10.3
UK firearm deaths per 100,000: .25
Italy firearm deaths per 100,000: 1.28
Canada firearm deaths per 100,000: 2.38

Other industrialized nations regulate firearms far more stringently and they have far less gun violence.  We have a long way to go culturally and in terms of urban violence, but it's not surprising that regulation actually works when implemented in a smart way.

     Key term is "culturally". Or to consider along the lines of what I was talking about before, banning alcohol was an unmitigated disaster while banning lots of other drugs fared better. Firearms restrictions would probably have some effect, but cross-national comparisons are inane when the countries being compared are so different in regards to gun culture.

Comparing one nation to another is inane, but comparing a weapon to a beverage makes sense?
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« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2013, 12:15:12 PM »

Indeed, the odds are SOOOOO freaking remote that the people that worry about it probably don't understand them, even more so if you don't happen to live in a handful of specific square miles.

So pure coincidence that the chance is about 10-15 times higher in the US?

Of course the odds of being murdered with a gun are low for any individual person, but we're talking about thousands of human beings that are dying every year. You may not care about it, but it's obvious that the American gun problem is real.

I think the reason that gun violence is normally not a priority is that the victims are black.  As long as guns don't threaten white people, the media can ignore the issue and people can be complacent about it.

Some of those other countries on the list (like Norway and Canada) have quite a few gun owners as well.

Both nations have more stringent gun control than we do in America. 

Plus, not all guns are alike.  I'm willing to bet most guns in Norway are owned by private citizens are rifles for hunting or target shooting.  People hardly ever get murdered with rifles.  The dangerous guns for gun violence are handguns.
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« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2013, 12:36:28 PM »

You can legally buy a handgun in both Norway and Canada (though of course, legal purchase of handguns doesn't have much to do with this, as very few legally obtained handguns are used in crime.) Not to mention Switzerland which actually has comparable gun ownership rates to the US.

That's a short-sighted way to look at it.  All illegal guns were sold legally at some point.  Both countries are more regulated on guns and their owners are more tilted towards hunters and target shooters than in America.

And, let's be honest, in America we need to do more than people in Norway to prevent gun violence because there's no Detroit or East St. Louis in Norway. 
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