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« on: August 12, 2008, 10:56:49 AM »

But... but... I thought World War III was imminent now?

The media will be mad now. No "World War III Erupts!" headlines! Oh noes!

The American media spent zero time discussing this story anyway... which is particularly angering, because in terms of proportionality Georgia's commitment as a US ally is larger than any other country.

Eitherway, I want to know what we gave the Russians.  If it was anything more than a stiff threat then Putin won.
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« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2008, 11:02:13 AM »

This is the closest thing I have been able to find:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/12/georgia.russia.war/index.html

 MOSCOW, Russia (CNN)  -- The Russian and French presidents on Tuesday announced a six-point plan of principles for settling the immediate conflict in Georgia but stopped short of tackling the issues that sparked the violence.
French President Nicolas Sarkozy meets his Russian counterpart, Dmitry Medvedev, in Moscow.

"We have not achieved peace yet but we have achieved a provisional cease-fire of hostilities," French President Nicolas Sarkozy said.

The points include Russian agreements to conclude all military operations, return Russian armed forces to the line preceding the beginning of operations, and not use force again in Georgia.

In return Georgia would return its armed forces to their normal and permanent locations.

Both sides would provide free access for humanitarian assistance; and international consideration of the issues of South Ossetia and Abkhazia would be undertaken.

"All we need to do now is to stop suffering, stop the death of people," Sarkozy said. Stopping the fighting "is the most important objective."

He emphasized that the meeting with Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev was not intended to solve all of the issues, such as Georgia's territorial integrity and South Ossetia's desire for independence.

"There are bigger problems relating to South Ossetia that we cannot resolve here," Sarkozy said, who arrived in Moscow as current head of the European Union.
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Sarkozy said he and Medvedev agreed Georgia is an independent country and that Russia has no intention of annexing it, but Medvedev also said "sovereignty is based on the will of the people" and "territorial integrity can be demonstrated by the actual facts on the ground."

Medvedev said earlier that he had ordered an end to military operations against Georgia, but Tbilisi reported more attacks after the statement was made. Video Watch Georgia's reaction to halt in fighting »

"I have reached a decision to halt the operation to force the Georgian authorities to peace," Medvedev said. "The aggressor has been punished and has incurred very significant losses. Its armed forces are disorganized."

Meanwhile, thousands of Georgians rallied in the country's capital, Tbilisi, following Medvedev's announcement. Video Watch the rally »
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U.S. officials also told CNN it was considering flying aid from bases in Germany to Georgia. There was also consideration being given to sending U.S. Navy ships into the Black Sea to conduct humanitarian relief missions.

Violence has raged since Thursday when Georgia launched a crackdown on separatist fighters in autonomous South Ossetia, where most people have long supported independence.

Russia -- which supports the separatists -- responded Friday, sending tanks across its border into South Ossetia. The conflict quickly spread to parts of Georgia and to Abkhazia, another separatist region.

Russian said it wanted to stop Georgian military actions against its peacekeepers in the breakaway regions.

The Georgian government said despite Medvedev's announcement, Russian warplanes struck two Georgian villages and bombed an ambulance outside the breakaway province of South Ossetia. Video Watch more on the fighting in South Ossetia »

The Russian Defense Ministry called the Georgian claims "informational provocations" and believed they would continue, Interfax reported.

Medvedev warned in his announcement that "when pockets of resistance and other aggressive actions occur," a decision concerning destruction had to be made.

Earlier a Georgian Interior Ministry official said Russian bombs had hit one of the three pipelines carrying oil to the Black Sea port of Poti. There was no oil in the pipeline at the time. Interactive map: See how far the Russians have advanced »

UK-based energy giant BP later said it had shut down two oil pipelines in the region as a "precautionary measure" linked to the security situation. None of its pipelines had been attacked.

A Dutch cameraman was killed on Tuesday morning in an incident in Gori, the Dutch Foreign Ministry confirmed. He was identified as Stan Storimans, of RTL TV. The correspondent who accompanied him was also injured.

One Russian diplomat told CNN up to 2,000 people had died in the conflict. Up to 100,000 people are thought to have been displaced by the violence, which has left South Ossetia's capital Tskhinvali in ruins.

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said in a Tuesday news conference that it wanted a demilitarized zone to be created in Georgian territory before a cease-fire could take effect. Video Watch Lavrov speak about Georgia »

The zone had to be big enough to prevent Georgia's military from attacking the breakaway province, he added.
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Lavrov said it would be best if Mikheil Saakashvili stepped down as Georgia's president -- something he has not offered to do -- but that Russia was not demanding his resignation.

He said Saakashvili's "barbaric and brutal action" had undermined trust in Georgia.
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« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2008, 11:25:27 AM »

But... but... I thought World War III was imminent now?

The media will be mad now. No "World War III Erupts!" headlines! Oh noes!

The American media spent zero time discussing this story anyway... which is particularly angering, because in terms of proportionality Georgia's commitment as a US ally is larger than any other country.

Eitherway, I want to know what we gave the Russians.  If it was anything more than a stiff threat then Putin won.

What makes you think 'we' gave the Russians anything? They've achieved all they wanted to achieve; keep South Ossetia outside of Georgia, put the Georgians back in their box, sent a message to other neighbouring states not to try anyhting similar, and called Europe and the U.S' bluff.

Seeing as they would have no reason or desire to actually conquer Georgia, there's no reason for them to prolong the conflict.


That's exactly what I meant.  By telling the Russians anything more than "Get the Hell out" we gave them what they wanted.
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« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2008, 12:34:42 PM »

I really don't think the U.S has had any involvement in this at all. Russia is getting out because at the moment they have no reason to stay in. If they think Georgia hasn't learned their 'lesson' they'll go back in again.

Contrary to what some think, Putin isn't Hitler. His main foreign policy goal is exactly the goal of practically all Russian leaders for centuries; exert dominance over the region. That's never going to change.

When I say "we" I mean the West.
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« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2008, 06:32:35 PM »

It's time to issue an ultimatum to Russia... get out or else... leave the "else" open to imagination.


This is ing nuts.
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« Reply #5 on: August 13, 2008, 06:34:57 PM »

And just to show you how idiotic Americans are, the big headline on the CNN homepage is about that no account Arkansas politician who got shot dead.  WWIII is as close as its been for a generation and they are running with that.  Unreal.
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« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2008, 07:53:04 PM »


This is beyond the pale, though.  There is a genuine global crisis going on here.
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