Until this AM ....

[12th Doctor]

Right up until this AM I was confident that Hillary was on her way to becoming President.  I really wasn't even shaken by the Iowa results.  But this AM I came to the conclusion that she will not be elected President.

I came to this conclusion listening to morning sports talk radio.  If you really want to get the pulse of what the average person is thinking, listen to sports talk.  People care more about sports than any other topic.  And this morning I heard the giddiness and gloating in the voices as they discussed the prospect of a Hillary defeat.  I was stunned to hear it equally from women as well as men.  And then I realized that it isn't about it being Hillary, it is simply that in my lifetime a woman will never be elected President.

The reason isn't that people overtly think "oh a woman can't do this".  It is rather that we all look at the things that men and women do and we judge them differently based on their gender.

Boo-fing-hoo-hoo.

"Hillary's not gonna win, so we are never gonna have a female president."

Did you ever consider the obvious fact that Hillary is just not the right woman to do it?  The irony is that Hillay's whole campaign was based on her wanting people to believe that she was the expirience candidate.  Ummmm... how does she have more expirience than Edwards and Obama?  She started dancing in the end zone before she even crossed the goalline and it was arrogant to the core.

If anything, this election should be a comfort to people who want a female president.  Hillary's womanhood is far from being the reason she lost.  Plenty of people were willing to see past that.

Bring us a real one, then people will vote for her.

[12th Doctor]

Hillary's biggest problem though is this, she actually falls into one really bad female stereotype and that is that she appears very insecure with her public imagine.  Constantly changing hairstyles, makeup, and ever how she presents herself.  Once "change" became the issue it took all of five seconds for her to switch her campaign themes to mimic Obama and Edwards, and then when she realized it was a losing battle, she switched back.

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"Bring us a real one."

There it is.  A real one.  We want a real woman.

We want a woman we won't call the Ice Queen.  Janet Reno and Golda Meir you're out.
We want a woman we won't call Weak.  Nancy Pelosi and Indira Gandhi you're out.

My guess is that the average age in here is about 25.  The average life expectancy is 75.  This means that most of you will see another 7-10 Presidents in your life.

Unless you are willing to look at the actions of men and women and weigh them equally then this country will remain a nation ruled of the men, by the men, and for the men.

Ecxept that's not what I meant, by "real one" I meant someone who would be politically impressive regardless of gender, race, etc.

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Quick List of 10 Women (regardless of political views) who are more qualified to be President then Clinton:

1) Kay Baily Hutchison
2) Diane Fienstien
3) Janet Napolitano
4) Elizabeth Dole
5) Barbara Mikulski
6) Barbara Boxer
7) Heather Wilson
8 ) Olyimpia Snow
9) Susan Collins
10) Patty Murray

And that's just pulled right off the top of my head.

Hillary has no expirience.  She wouldn't be anyone were it not for her husband (other than a Illinois Lawyer).  People really do not like her personally.

She jumped to the front of the line because she is a Clinton.  As people like you keep pointing out Wakie, one of the main trusts of her campaign has been "I'm a woman.  Vote for me."  The more people have looked at her, the more they have asked themselves, "Why should I vote for someone just because they have a Double XX".  And in Hillary's case, reasons are found severely wanting.  If anything, things ran in the opposite of what you claim.  More people asked "Why should I vote for her just because she is a woman" than asked "Why should I vote for a woman."

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There has never been a female politician in American history who has ever delivered a speech which was considered a "great" speech.  

Barbara Jordan.  

I think her famous 1974 speech is considered one of the all time greats.  And one I wish we could revisit in these times...

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/barbarajordanjudiciarystatement.htm


And then, her 1976 DNC speech...well...here it is...

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/barbarajordan1976dnc.html

I would add that Margaret Chase Smith's condemnation of Tailgunner Joe was brilliant.  I very much liked Shirley Chisolm's speeches, particularly in support of the ERA. And though she never ran for office, few people would dispute the rhetorical abilities of Fannie Lou Hamer.

A lot of people liked Liddy Dole's speech at the 1996 Convention more than her husbands.  It doesn't get remembered as much as a Presidnetial Speech because the Dole's lost, but still.

[12th Doctor]

People don't like Hillary for the same reason they don't like Romney...

She is a Johnny Come Lately asshole who thinks she can school everyone else on how to be a real (insert party and ideology).

And like Romney, she is no one's second choice.

Oh, guess what, Romney's a man.

[12th Doctor]

Soulty, do you think that Hillary had no involvement in the Clinton White House of the 90's?  Wasn't that one of the big complaints Republicans had then and have now about her?  I agree that there are women more experienced than her to be President and that she jumped to the front based on her relationship with Bill Clinton.  I don't think people should use gender when determining who to vote for.  But when you hear/read comments like "she's a man" or "what a skank" you know where they come from and that is gender bias.

"John Edwards wants to be the first gay President." "Don't Mormons believe that Jesus and the Devil are brothers."  "McCain is too old to be President." "Obama is a Muslim."  "Huckabee is a hick."  "Giuliani is LIBRUL."

You are debating semantics.  The attacks might be different, but they all mean the same things and they happen regardless of who, what, when.

As for her role in the White House, I think the Clintons need to get their story clear on that one first.  She has gone from being "co-president" to "limited involvement" to everywhere in between.

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There's no tokenism in the world either, right?

Tiy have to understand... Wakie ius this guy:

http://www.flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/weenie.htm

[12th Doctor]

There's no tokenism in the world either, right?

Tiy have to understand... Wakie ius this guy:

http://www.flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/weenie.htm

LOL .... nice.

I kinda thought of you as this guy after Santorum's butt-whipping:

http://www.flamewarriors.com/warriorshtm/jekylhyde.htm

*Shrug*

Yeah, pretty much.  Point?