FL school board votes to treat gay kids as sex offenders

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I would be very skeptical if this is the case.  This is LEON County, which includes Tallahassee; it is one of the most LIBERAL and DEMOCRATIC Counties in all of Florida.  Leon County and Gadsden County are reliably Democratic in Presidential elections and elect liberals at all levels.

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Republicans have lost their minds -- suddenly they're more openly and viscously anti-gay than they were decades ago.

If this is LEON County, FL, I doubt very much that these are Republicans on the School Board.  Florida has non-partisan elections for county school boards, but I would be utterly astonished to find out that Republican SoCons were able to launch a stealth operation sufficient to take over the School Board of a County which is 30% black with a heavy college student population that is 2-1 Democratic and doesn't have a single elected Republican official at the County or District level.

Also, obligatory reminder that we we are all insane liars.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

I would be very skeptical if this is the case.  This is LEON County, which includes Tallahassee; it is one of the most LIBERAL and DEMOCRATIC Counties in all of Florida.  Leon County and Gadsden County are reliably Democratic in Presidential elections and elect liberals at all levels.

That’s why hopefully they get yeeted.

I would note that the source of this thread topic is a Tweet and not an article.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

It's a tricky slope here.  No one wants kids in a situation where girls are looked at in an objectified matter by boys (or, to a lesser degree, boys looked at in an objectified manner by girls).  School is not about that.  Now, however, we have gotten into "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" in schools, so how unfair is it, really, to not want your daughter to be subject to be looked at in an objectified way by another girl(s) or not want your son to be subject to being looked at in an objectified way by another boy(s)?

The fact is that High School Students are not supposed to be sexually active.  I live in the real world, of course, but they're not to be sexually active, and schools aren't supposed to encourage this.  This is where we're at, however.  If we don't want kids to be objectified by students of the opposite sex, why should it be less of a concern for parents that their child be objectified by students of the same sex?

Parents have a right (and, arguably, a duty) to ensure that their underage children are not sexually active.  That has become more complicated these days, but the principle still applies.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

It's a tricky slope here.  No one wants kids in a situation where girls are looked at in an objectified matter by boys (or, to a lesser degree, boys looked at in an objectified manner by girls).  School is not about that.  Now, however, we have gotten into "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" in schools, so how unfair is it, really, to not want your daughter to be subject to be looked at in an objectified way by another girl(s) or not want your son to be subject to being looked at in an objectified way by another boy(s)?

The fact is that High School Students are not supposed to be sexually active.  I live in the real world, of course, but they're not to be sexually active, and schools aren't supposed to encourage this.  This is where we're at, however.  If we don't want kids to be objectified by students of the opposite sex, why should it be less of a concern for parents that their child be objectified by students of the same sex?

Parents have a right (and, arguably, a duty) to ensure that their underage children are not sexually active.  That has become more complicated these days, but the principle still applies.

This is one of the strangest posts I've ever read on this website.

This is one of strangest topics I've ever read on this website. 

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

It's a tricky slope here.  No one wants kids in a situation where girls are looked at in an objectified matter by boys (or, to a lesser degree, boys looked at in an objectified manner by girls).  School is not about that.  Now, however, we have gotten into "sexual orientation" and "gender identity" in schools, so how unfair is it, really, to not want your daughter to be subject to be looked at in an objectified way by another girl(s) or not want your son to be subject to being looked at in an objectified way by another boy(s)?

The fact is that High School Students are not supposed to be sexually active.  I live in the real world, of course, but they're not to be sexually active, and schools aren't supposed to encourage this.  This is where we're at, however.  If we don't want kids to be objectified by students of the opposite sex, why should it be less of a concern for parents that their child be objectified by students of the same sex?

Parents have a right (and, arguably, a duty) to ensure that their underage children are not sexually active.  That has become more complicated these days, but the principle still applies.

"High school students," and people in that age cohort more broadly, have always been sexually active. Literally for all of human history. The opinions of some old man in Florida do not change that fact, even if that man has placed a great deal of misguided confidence in his beliefs. Failing to acknowledge this fact with BS like abstinence-only sex ed and parental consent for abortions is catastrophic and just leads to inevitably sexually active young people making poor and ill-informed decisions.

Putting that aside, your reply here doesn't even begin to substantively engage with the topic of the thread. A young gay or trans student merely existing in a school space does not amount to "objectification of other students by the same sex." Frankly, your reduction of young people to nothing more than their sexuality and gender identity is disturbing and insulting, and it plays on intensely homophobic and transphobic tropes that LGBTQ people are sexual deviants and predators. Shame on you for saying this about literal children. Gay and trans people have the right to exist in public without being seen as a threat, and gay and trans children have the right to a comfortable school environment free from the prejudice people like you exhibit.

I'm well aware of people being sexually active in High School.  I was sexually active in high school.  It wasn't something that was good for me, but I was sexually active.  

I'm also a parent.  I doubt you are, but I am, and part of safety in schools is minors not being looked at in a sexual way while in school.  That can't be guaranteed now, given the ways of the world.  Perhaps it never could be guaranteed, but people are more aware of this.  The idea of anyone of either gender looking at my 17 year old son in a sexual way in a gym setting in a public high school is not something I think to be a positive thing.  Because high school students are not prepared for sexual activity.  They are not prepared financially, and they are not prepared emotionally.

I try to be as understanding as I can be about this, but one of the aspects of the arguments put forth by many of the gay/trans activists here is that IT'S ALL ABOUT THEM!  Damn whatever ordinary parents (or ordinary kids, for that matter) may think; it's all about the LGBT kids, and everyone else can just take their concerns and shove them.  You come off that way, and I'm not going to backtrack on that.  How much self-awareness YOU have is between you and whomever you are accountable to in this world.  But here's a newsflash:  Parents of straight teenagers are concerned about the well-being of THEIR kids, and if they don't want their daughters looked upon sexually by a boy, why should they want either their daughters or their sons being looked upon that way by someone of either sex?  (I don't wish for my son to be lustfully looking at girls either, but he's homeschooled, and he's been taught differently on this subject than what you advocate.)

Unless I'm missing something, you're not a parent.  My wife and I are.  And whatever you think of parents who don't see it your way, don't forget that those parents have a responsibility to THEIR children's safety and well-being.  

EDIT:  The above post shows that the policy we're talking about here, far from treating gay/trans kids as "sex offenders", is an earnest attempt to bridge all sides of this complicated issue.  Imagine that; an Atlas Poster starting a thread on a false premise.  Heavens to Mergatroid; how could this be?