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« on: November 07, 2021, 12:12:05 PM »

Sesame Street is produced, in part, by our tax dollars, and aired through public television.  Parents are the arbiters of their children's best interest, and this includes medical decisions.  It is not the role of the government to fund money to produce propaganda in the name of "educational television" to cause children in elementary school to believe that they should be vaccinated, and (implicitly) that their parents are "wrong" in not having them vaccinated.  That is not the role of government.  I know that the Soviet government and Nazi Germany lionized children who snitched on their parents for thoughtcrime, but this is still America, and our tax monies should not be used to undermine the status of parents as the arbiters of their children's best medical interest.

This isn't an advocacy for parents being the final arbiters in things such as genital mutilation or not providing medical treatment for inoperable cancer, but the COVID-19 vaccine being administered to a 5-11 year old is not that kind of decision.  Nor is a 5-11 year old child capable of making that sort of decision.  These sort of things are propaganda aimed at children.  That's not OK on the taxpayer's dime.  The idea that vaccinating 5-11 year old children against COVID-19 is the best course of action for such children is far from settled science at this point.

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2021, 12:39:14 PM »

eventually saying that healthy food choices should be practiced is going to be "propaganda" because it'll be related to climate change or something

Kids get to make some food choices.  They get to choose, to some degree, between fruit and a Hostess twinkie at lunch.  They are given allowances to get things at a store. 

What foods are healthy and what foods are not is, for the most part, accepted science.  The remedies for Climate Change are political decisions, and it is not true to say that the science is "settled" on that issue.

The COVID-19 vaccine for 5-11 year olds is none of that.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2021, 12:52:30 PM »

Sesame Street is produced, in part, by our tax dollars, and aired through public television.  Parents are the arbiters of their children's best interest, and this includes medical decisions.  It is not the role of the government to fund money to produce propaganda in the name of "educational television" to cause children in elementary school to believe that they should be vaccinated, and (implicitly) that their parents are "wrong" in not having them vaccinated.  That is not the role of government.  I know that the Soviet government and Nazi Germany lionized children who snitched on their parents for thoughtcrime, but this is still America, and our tax monies should not be used to undermine the status of parents as the arbiters of their children's best medical interest.

This isn't an advocacy for parents being the final arbiters in things such as genital mutilation or not providing medical treatment for inoperable cancer, but the COVID-19 vaccine being administered to a 5-11 year old is not that kind of decision.  Nor is a 5-11 year old child capable of making that sort of decision.  These sort of things are propaganda aimed at children.  That's not OK on the taxpayer's dime.  The idea that vaccinating 5-11 year old children against COVID-19 is the best course of action for such children is far from settled science at this point.



Utter, unmitigated BS, and a direct assault on the children of our country. (I.e. exactly what I've come to expect from all so-called "Republicans".)

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/planning/children.html

The "Republican Party" ought to be destroyed utterly.

The CDC is thoroughly politicized.  That social media platforms silence and deplatform opposing views does not detract from the FACT that there is NOT scientific consensus for the proposition that 5-11 year olds should all be vaccinated against COVID-19.

It would be a great world for you if the GOP were destroyed utterly.  That way, your rantings would be accepted uncritically.  The World would become as you wish your forum to be; an echo chamber ever reverberating the correctness of your point of view.

In the real world, there are plenty of people like me.  We work with liberals like you and get along fine, even when we disagree.  It may amaze you, but I get along well with a diverse group of people that I have areas of political disagreement with.  That's because in the real world, I am able to acknowledge the humanity of others, even if I believe their ideas are foolish, and I am able to recognize that capability in others.

In all honesty, I don't see that capability in you.  It's really sad.  There are lots of people I have partisan disagreements with here that I believe I could relate to as people if I met them, even if they were to know I was "Fuzzy Bear" and I were to know their online screen name.  I hope I'm wrong, and I hope, for your sake, that you go beyond where you are.  But if you're in real life the way you are online, I truly feel bad for you and will pray for you that you will overcome that aspect of yourself.  Until then, keep this in perspective:  There are people suffering in political prisons, prisoners of the left and of the right, that would thank the God they know if, tomorrow, they could be freed from their prison cell and live in the bottom half of income level in a country which was headed by Donald Trump.  Think about that.  Gain some perspective.  
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2021, 11:38:56 PM »

Sesame Street is produced, in part, by our tax dollars, and aired through public television.  Parents are the arbiters of their children's best interest, and this includes medical decisions.  It is not the role of the government to fund money to produce propaganda in the name of "educational television" to cause children in elementary school to believe that they should be vaccinated, and (implicitly) that their parents are "wrong" in not having them vaccinated.  That is not the role of government.  I know that the Soviet government and Nazi Germany lionized children who snitched on their parents for thoughtcrime, but this is still America, and our tax monies should not be used to undermine the status of parents as the arbiters of their children's best medical interest.

This isn't an advocacy for parents being the final arbiters in things such as genital mutilation or not providing medical treatment for inoperable cancer, but the COVID-19 vaccine being administered to a 5-11 year old is not that kind of decision.  Nor is a 5-11 year old child capable of making that sort of decision.  These sort of things are propaganda aimed at children.  That's not OK on the taxpayer's dime.  The idea that vaccinating 5-11 year old children against COVID-19 is the best course of action for such children is far from settled science at this point.



Utter, unmitigated BS, and a direct assault on the children of our country. (I.e. exactly what I've come to expect from all so-called "Republicans".)

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/planning/children.html

The "Republican Party" ought to be destroyed utterly.

The CDC is thoroughly politicized.

Ranting for paragraphs doesn't change reality. Your position on vaccinations for eligible children is nothing but dangerous BS. And Republican know that - you just don't care.

The highlighted portion is a lesson you haven't learn.  Don't ask me.  Ask your peers that actually agree with you.
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« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2021, 07:05:03 AM »

Sesame Street is produced, in part, by our tax dollars, and aired through public television.  Parents are the arbiters of their children's best interest, and this includes medical decisions.  It is not the role of the government to fund money to produce propaganda in the name of "educational television" to cause children in elementary school to believe that they should be vaccinated, and (implicitly) that their parents are "wrong" in not having them vaccinated.  That is not the role of government.  I know that the Soviet government and Nazi Germany lionized children who snitched on their parents for thoughtcrime, but this is still America, and our tax monies should not be used to undermine the status of parents as the arbiters of their children's best medical interest.

Any parent who refuses to get a child eligible for inoculation inoculation is putting a child at danger. Most states have laws mandating car seats for small children. Protective services will snoop around if a nosy neighbor reports that your child is malnourished or gets injured or traumatized in abuse. No parent can provide a child for prostitution. Failing to get an eligible child inoculated is prima facie child abuse or neglect.

Government has a rightful role in child welfare. At this point I want a child inoculated for COVID-19. If I had a child or grandchild over the age of 5, then that child or grandchild would be inoculated already. There has been little time for the 5-11 category... but one can never be too militant in protecting children from a real, preventable danger. We put down beloved dogs who bite children. COVID-19 is much more dangerous than an ill-behaving dog.

I am sure that the producers of Sesame Street thought this one over adequately. "Big Bird" getting an inoculation? If that is what it takes to fulfill social responsibility, then fine. I saw the living former Presidents getting inoculated.

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This isn't an advocacy for parents being the final arbiters in things such as genital mutilation or not providing medical treatment for inoperable cancer, but the COVID-19 vaccine being administered to a 5-11 year old is not that kind of decision.  Nor is a 5-11 year old child capable of making that sort of decision.  These sort of things are propaganda aimed at children.  That's not OK on the taxpayer's dime.  The idea that vaccinating 5-11 year old children against COVID-19 is the best course of action for such children is far from settled science at this point.

Whether it is right to keep children away from rattlesnakes, to keep poisons and matches out of their reach, to not allow them to smoke or to drink alcohol, or to spare them from contact with pornography is settled. COVID-19 kills and does lasting harm.  Getting inoculated is not a partisan or sectarian issue. It is not a statement of economic values.

It is not up to a child between the ages of 5 and 11 to decide to get the inoculation. It is up to parents and guardians. To not get a child inoculated against measles is unconscionable. Most of us are in no position in which to dispute settled decisions of the medical community.

Propaganda?

Technically this is propaganda.





I am curious; just how many children do you have?  Or anyone else; how many of you are actually responsible for lives other than your own?

When he was a young child, my oldest son was unresponsive after taking the vaccine for Pertussis (Whooping Cough) for some time.  He finally did wake up, but this was a severe reaction, don't you think?  As a result of this, it was decided that he would not take this vaccine's booster when it came time for booster shots.  Needless to say, the school system had a hissy fit and (to be blunt) used flat-out coercion to attempt to get him to take the booster.  Ultimately, he was able to get a waiver through his doctor.  But the episode produced a key lesson; large bureaucracies do not care about the lives of individuals; they are only concerned with "macro" outcomes, and they rationalize this away by pointing to rules, insisting something is "safe" according to the CDC and other forms of "science".  The coercive school systems were, in effect, saying, "Don't be wusses!".

My wife and I are not "anti-vaxxers" by any means.  We are both fully vaccinated, but our reluctance to have our 16 year old son receive the vaccine is based on (A) his relatively low risk factors and (B) the concern that he may develop myocarditis.  In other words, concerns that the vaccine may be worse than the disease for him.  (Not for us; we'll be 65 and 67 in January.)  The decision to vaccinate young children on this is, and should be, a personal decision; there are certainly some children who ought to be vaccinated, but the vast majority of children are not at risk of COVID-19 death.  I don't wish for my son to develop a heart condition at age 16 for a vaccine he, arguably, does not need;  I am not convinced that the risk of such a heart condition in a vaccine recipient his age is "minute" and the media and social media censoring of information contradictory to what the politicized CDC puts out increases my concern that there is something to worry about in vaccinating young children that the CDC hasn't disclosed.  After all, Dr. Fauci, "The Face Of The Pandemic", has lied about his own role in funding the Gain of Function studies at the Wuhan Institute where this pandemic likely started.  You'll forgive me, but I don't consider politicized liars like Fauci (and others) to be "The Science".
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