What were Jeb's actual accomplishments, relevant to the presidency?

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

Jeb didn't "reduce" government in Florida.  He "privatized" state functions, which means two things:

1.  Folks doing critical jobs (such as management of our prisons and Foster Care system) will perform the same jobs for less money and benefits.

2.  Jeb got to give contracts to companies with cronies and political contributors as part of their organizational structure.  It's the new model of political patronage and payoff.

Jeb EXPANDED government to the Private Sector, where corporations manage prisons for profit and are free to lobby for longer prison sentences for minor offenses.  That's the Corporate State.  There was a word for that concept I learned in college; what was it?  Wait . . . wait . . . I think I got it . . .

FACISM!

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

As for "ending civil service protections":  I would ask how that makes the middle class more stable? 

I am a public employee, but I have worked as a "privatized" employee.  That means that when the state decides to go with a new "provider" for the service, you have to reapply for your job all over again.  Sometimes every year.  You don't just get a new uniform or ID and a new payor on your paycheck.  This affects many folks, including correctional officers, civilian prison staff, and the folks who manage Florida's Foster Care system. 

When these people's jobs were "privatized", they lost their retirement, saw their health coverage decling (getting less for more), and saw their salaries reduced to the point where they could not hope to save enough to retire on their new "defined contribution" plan.  That was the thanks they got for doing often thankless work.  Positions that require a college degree start at less than $30K today.  And Florida isn't as cheap as folks think it is.

Jeb Bush helped drive a bigger wedge between the 1% who benefit from privatization and the working class who are pre-empted from the middle class because their jobs were valued only as something to give to rich men for profit.  I don't know about you, but that's my definition of a scumbag.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

• Privatised state parks, foster care, adoption services, and legal representation for death row inmates.
• Cut taxes for businesses and the upper brackets
• Increased mandatory minimum sentences for juveniles
• "Stand Your Ground" laws
• The Teri Schiavo thing

Not that any of this is particularly good policy, but it's his record.

I wish every Governor would privatize state parks and legal representation, he also cut taxes for working people, I'm glad someone is enforcing the law, I'm glad someone defended the second amendment, and I'm glad someone stood with the parents of Teri Schiavo as opposed to her selfish husband.

I live in Florida, and Bush did NOT cut taxes for "working people".  He ended Flrida's "intangible tax", a tax on wealth that affected the wealthiest Floridians, the ones who needed it the least.  Even more evidence that Jeb's a scumbag.  He made Florida HARDER for the middle class by making it a tax haven for the wealthy.  All he did was artifically inflate housing prices to where working folks have trouble saving for retirement. 

I'll give Bush props for Teri Schiavo, as I'm pro-life and she didn't look dead to me.  That's it.  As far as working people go, he was a Governor who served the selfish rich who move to Flrodia, the tax haven.

[Fuzzy Bear Loves Christian Missionaries]

• Privatised state parks, foster care, adoption services, and legal representation for death row inmates.
• Cut taxes for businesses and the upper brackets
• Increased mandatory minimum sentences for juveniles
• "Stand Your Ground" laws
• The Teri Schiavo thing

Not that any of this is particularly good policy, but it's his record.

I wish every Governor would privatize state parks and legal representation, he also cut taxes for working people, I'm glad someone is enforcing the law, I'm glad someone defended the second amendment, and I'm glad someone stood with the parents of Teri Schiavo as opposed to her selfish husband.

I live in Florida, and Bush did NOT cut taxes for "working people".  He ended Flrida's "intangible tax", a tax on wealth that affected the wealthiest Floridians, the ones who needed it the least.  Even more evidence that Jeb's a scumbag.  He made Florida HARDER for the middle class by making it a tax haven for the wealthy.  All he did was artifically inflate housing prices to where working folks have trouble saving for retirement. 

I'll give Bush props for Teri Schiavo, as I'm pro-life and she didn't look dead to me.  That's it.  As far as working people go, he was a Governor who served the selfish rich who move to Flrodia, the tax haven.

First of all, I know first hand what it's like to live in a state that punishes the rich. In New Jersey, we have a tax on both estates and inheritance, one of only two states to have both. Between 2005 and 2010, as we increased taxes and fees 115 times including higher taxes on business and a tax on higher incomes, we lost nearly $70 billion in wealth. 38% of people in my state, according to one study, have difficulty affording everyday goods.

So, when Jeb Bush cut the intangibles tax, he was basically trying to not only keep wealth in Florida, but encourage more wealth and investment in the state. Florida doesn't have an estate tax which is why there is so much wealth moving there, and those with middle and lower incomes don't have to pay a state income tax like they do in most other states.

Also, Jeb Bush championed reductions in property taxes and sales taxes when he was Governor, that was a broad-based tax cut for middle and lower income Floridians. He also cut taxes on alcohol, he stopped punishing hard working folks who want a beer once in a while. He helped business owners as well, the owner of your local liquor store or bar may do well, but they are not making millions in most cases.

The federal government artificially inflated housing prices, not any Governor. The fact of the matter is, what Florida experienced the entire nation experienced, but because Florida is more favorable from an economic standpoint and the 43rd Governor made it more so, Florida's housing sector did quite well. By the way, I don't think the folks who weld, paint, build, or work at Home Depot are in the "1%."

 I think it is time that we, as a nation, stop assuming the worst in everyone. There are selfish rich people, there are also selfish middle and lower income people. When these rich people who you demonize so frequently move to a place, they bring with them wealth. When someone buys a house and pays property taxes, they contribute to funding for police, firemen, and other critical services. Without all the wealth moving to Florida, you'd be worse off.

Jeb didn't "reduce" government in Florida.  He "privatized" state functions, which means two things:

1.  Folks doing critical jobs (such as management of our prisons and Foster Care system) will perform the same jobs for less money and benefits.

2.  Jeb got to give contracts to companies with cronies and political contributors as part of their organizational structure.  It's the new model of political patronage and payoff.

Jeb EXPANDED government to the Private Sector, where corporations manage prisons for profit and are free to lobby for longer prison sentences for minor offenses.  That's the Corporate State.

I'm not sure that I agree with all of that, but this goes back a long time.  The British T.V Show Yes, Minister did an episode about how to make it look like the size of government was being cut by, in their case, turning agencies into off budget crown corporations, or whatever the British term is.

In addition to this lie of dudeabides  that Jeb cut the size of government when, in reality, he privatized some of it, he also lied that Jeb Bush protected the Everglades, when all he did was attend a law signing by Bill Clinton, who was the one who protected the Everglades.

There is no mention of anything else on the environment or resource development, transportation, social service delivery, economic development (beyond the myth that cutting taxes automatically boosts the economy), criminal justice and law reform...

For a two term governor, even if one were to take the list of accomplishments listed here at face value, it's extremely thin.

No one with a brain can take what you said seriously because yet again, you don't know the facts.

Here is the part where I completely own you, as usual, though I don't give myself credit for something this easy:

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http://www.nationaljournal.com/energy/how-jeb-bush-s-environmental-record-could-hurt-him-in-2016-20150310

Again, I have put forth the facts. The economy outperformed 48 states, educational achievement excelled, and Florida's reserves increased when Jeb Bush was Governor. He had an extraordinary record of accomplishment. I'm sorry you don't like the facts, but you can't continue to lie to people and get away with it. Unfortunately, you probably can get away with making your silly, dumb arguments over and over again.

http://finance.zacks.com/summary-florida-intangible-personal-property-tax-8267.html

Read all about the Rich Man's Tax that Jeb Bush cut.

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A tax cut that Scumbag Jeb! benefitted from that struggling Floridians paid for.

The rich scumbags that have flocked to Florida have made better lives for themselves, but they have not made better lives for the folks that live here.  The jobs they have created are menial service jobs, barely enough to raise a family.  Since they can afford to sent their kids (if they have them) to private school, they are not vested in the school system, which is why support for public education in Florida is well below the national average, and why our schools suck.  Repealing the intangible tax was sold as something to benefit "seniors and savers", and that sounds great, but Florida is full of folks that can't save, in no small margin because the rich have driven up property values to where housing in Florida is overpriced compared to where wages are.

That's the REAL Bush legacy.

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http://finance.zacks.com/summary-florida-intangible-personal-property-tax-8267.html

Read all about the Rich Man's Tax that Jeb Bush cut.

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A tax cut that Scumbag Jeb! benefitted from that struggling Floridians paid for.

The rich scumbags that have flocked to Florida have made better lives for themselves, but they have not made better lives for the folks that live here.  The jobs they have created are menial service jobs, barely enough to raise a family.  Since they can afford to sent their kids (if they have them) to private school, they are not vested in the school system, which is why support for public education in Florida is well below the national average, and why our schools suck.  Repealing the intangible tax was sold as something to benefit "seniors and savers", and that sounds great, but Florida is full of folks that can't save, in no small margin because the rich have driven up property values to where housing in Florida is overpriced compared to where wages are.

That's the REAL Bush legacy.

Here is the fundamental problem with what you are saying. You believe that tax cuts have to be "paid for" and in the short term that is true, but long term tax cuts generally pay for themselves. Reagan's tax cuts increased revenue 99%, we ran deficits because of over spending. Same thing with the Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, they increased revenue by 44%. Also, since the end of the recession, most of the jobs that have been created nationally have been part-time. Jobs in the tourism industry are sometimes part-time, but many are full-time. When housing is doing well, folks who paint, build, sell homes, and movers do well - these are jobs that are sometimes part-time, but often times full-time. From 1999-2007, most of the jobs that were created in Florida were in housing and tourism, but other industries in Florida did well also when compared to the nation as a whole, which did okay during that period. Since the recession, this nation has not done well, and neither has Florida.

The fact of the matter is, once you start pushing the wealthy out of your state, you find it harder to fund crucial services. If you want a police force, funding for roads and bridges, and if you want to be able to fund education, you need revenue and revenue comes from more people earning more money paying taxes, not raising taxes which drives people out of a place.

To be quite honest, and I don't mean any disrespect, you have no idea what it is like to live in a place where the legislature is completely incompetent and seeks to raise revenue by sticking it to the rich. I live in such a place. They raised taxes on our businesses 60% in the last decade, they've kept an estate tax and an inheritance tax in place, and for part of the last decade, we had a millionaire's tax. $70 billion of wealth has left our state, companies like Mercedes and others continue to leave, and they take jobs with them. We are one of the slowest growing economies in the country, we have one of the highest foreclosure rates in the nation thanks to a slow process, and our revenue projections are normally below forecast. You attack Jeb Bush for eliminating some civil service protections and privatizing government, well we've had Governors in both political parties who have skipped pension payments, partially or in full, several times in the last 20 years. In 2007, you had $9 billion in reserves, I'm not sure what that number is now, but I know we've been downgraded 9 times since 2010. Our state has over $40 billion in debt and $170 billion in unfunded liabilities, our state budget in 2016 alone is roughly $35 billion.

If you want to stick it to the rich, move to my state. It's a great state, but no one should copy our economic policies. Move here, you can buy a home for $350,000 and pay $8,500 in property taxes, pay a state income tax, have your hard earned tax dollars go to expensive failing urban schools where the kids aren't learning but administrators get rich, and as wealth leaves our state, it will be harder to find a job. When our rich move, they go to your state because they will pay lower taxes, and when they move and buy expensive homes they pay for your schools, police, and roads through property taxes, sales taxes on expensive cars etc. You saw the creation of 1.3 million jobs between 1999-2007. Want to know how many jobs New Jersey added during the last decade? NONE. We raised taxes & fees 115 times, more than doubled state spending, and we have seen people and jobs leave as a result.

Was it really necessary for Jeb! to give that particular tax cut to the rich?