Anti-Semitism in UK Labour megathread

[DC Al Fine]

oh ffs, this is pathetic

A party of the left just can't take an ambiguous stance on antisemitism. This is not what the left is about, and if Corbyn doesn't understand that he has no business leading a party of the left.

But they're dirty Joos Tony. Don't you see? That makes it different /s

[DC Al Fine]

https://twitter.com/kevina364/status/1025864132900343809?s=19

Oh FFS.

[DC Al Fine]

Anti-semitism is going to be mainly from the right and some SJWs who hate all whites. What the left has more of than the right is criticism of Israel. Actual anti-semitism shouldn't be tolerated, but people need to stop conflating criticism of Israel and anti-semitism. If Mertez was in power, I think you'd see a lot less criticism of Israel.

Jesus Christ

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

No one is denying that there have been some issues of anti-semitism in the Labour party, but this has been blown way out of proportion.

I don't recall Ms. May hanging out with Jewhaters or spouting anti-Semitism. Seems like a relevant story about a major party leader.

[DC Al Fine]

I was aware of that, and I am not condoning that whatsoever and that is very problematic and bad, however, him being at that event is not symbolic of him being anti-Semitismitic. Also there is no proof that he was involved in the wreath-laying ceremony, that is not to say he should have been there in the first place, which he shouldn't have been at all. I view this in the same light as his associations with the IRA.

Is this what "not involved" looks like, according to you?

Oh FFS, that picture is literally six posts above Intell's statement that there is no proof.

[DC Al Fine]

Insisting the antisemitism accusations against Corbyn, or the Labour Party's inadequate response to antisemitic sentiments within its ranks, are nothing more than propaganda manufactured by the 'Israeli lobby' or the reactionary press is as narrow minded and naive as insisting Corbyn is an inveterate antisemite.

And its just a tad anti-semitic. It carries a vibe like: "Corbyn wouldn't be in such trouble if it weren't for TEH JOOS!!!"

*Of course* there are people who are using the situation to opportunistically score partisan/ideological points. That's politics. Labour/Corbyn supporters should not let indignation about being delivered a low blow when they're down blind them to the serious and legitimate concerns of people speaking up about antisemitic rhetoric/acts (which have been on the rise for the past few years, along with Islamophobia, homophobia, racism, and xenophobia writ large).

This one is particularly silly on Atlas where we study politics for fun. It's politics, of course the other parties are going to jump Labour's errors. hat are we going to complain about next; the other team trying to score after your side makes a defensive mistake?

[DC Al Fine]

^^ this is cheap point scoring by the Tories, and makes it harder to solve and address the real problem...

I get the cheap points bit, but how does it make it harder to address the problem.  It's REALLY easy to address the problem and what outside people do or say shouldn't make it harder.

There's more than a little "Wah! The Tories are being MEAN and pointing out our bad side to the voters" coming from Labour supporters both on Atlas and off and its childish as anything.

[DC Al Fine]

Jeremy Corbyn adviser suggests 'deep state' working to stop Labour government


https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/labour-party/news/98348/jeremy-corbyn-adviser-suggests-deep-state-working

ahahahaahh, right, it's the "deep state" that makes them say bigoted things, support bigoted people and go to events that celebrate murderous bigots.   Do they expect people to keep buying their sh**t?  It's insane how poorly they've handled this.  Even if you're blind and stupid and don't think JC is a bigot, you can't be happy how he's handled it....right?  Unless you're bigot too of course, then you're going to say things like "it's the deep state" and "You can be anti-Israel without being anti-Semitic."   It's barely better than the non-bigots who'd just rather turn a blind eye to it all with a  "we shouldn't talk about this much because it's a 'serious' issue".

You'd have to be a bigot yourself or totally not care about bigotry against Jews to still vote for them at this point.  Kind of like Republicans!

'Deep state'? Hes about an inch away from complaining about some Jewish Capital conspiracy to suppress him.

so...everybody in the eastern hemisphere is an anti-Semite, even the leader of Israel.....sheesh!

That DavidB quip about how in certain leftist eyes, the only
 true anti-Semitic action is criticizing  George Soros seems apt here.

[DC Al Fine]

Lovely how it's so seldom British Jews who come up with the "buuuut Orbán!" whataboutery. Almost as if they don't think voting against sanctions for Hungary is antisemitic, or as if they think it doesn't compare to laying wreaths at terrorists' graves.

At least its educational. This kind of hackery is a fine counter-example to the notion that conservatives are uniquely vulnerable to promoting bigots and defending them no matter how obviously bad they are.

[DC Al Fine]

^^ yes, many in the Jewish community are terrified by Corbyn Premiership, I've seen it first hand when I used to live in England, you should pay a visit to any synagogue and you'll see how anxious the Jewish community are..

Anxious and terrified of the man who will stand up against the interests that are ruthlessly obliterating their country and the world, rather than the woman and her party that are currently aiding in the destruction. Yep. Seems perfectly alright. Totally not delusional at all.

People get freaked out about politicians laying wreaths on the graves of people who murdered their people and wanted then dead you see.