The Oldiesfreak Deluge of Absurdity, Ignorance, and Bad Posts III

[DC Al Fine]

It's been the long-term goal of the Republican party to reinstate Jim Crow

[DC Al Fine]

Sexual liberty is not a bad thing - you're right - but prostitution =/= sexual liberty.

Don't presume to judge for others - it is precisely that for some.  The sexism of you prude-leftists is shocking!

Funny how you've been arguing all along that it was no different from any other toil, but suddenly at a drop of a hat it's sexual fulfilment and how dare I (we?) judge!

I must say I'm enjoying all these leftists agreeing with me on a social issue.

[DC Al Fine]

Go back in time and tell Thomas Jefferson by law he has to pay for teens to have condoms for sex.

I was going to put that in the comedy thread

[DC Al Fine]

This might very well be altogether the best/worst display of slack-jawed idiocy on this general subject:

Wow, I thought the countries of Western Europe were friends and allies of the United States. Suddenly helping us catch a fugitive guilty of espionage is some act of supreme cowardice and spinelessness?? Ridiculous. I would hope and expect the United States to do the same if a German or Austrian or Italian or whatever criminal on the run was possibly flying through American airspace. 

It's funny how Lief has become Obamahack#1

[DC Al Fine]

I never realized there was a gender gap when it came to supporting same sex marriage.

The "ick" factor for straight men.

It's extremely sad that there are so many men out there who are just so grossed out by the thought of gay marriage/gay sex/etc. that they feel the need to tell people they wouldn't be allowed.  Not moral grounds, or traditionalist grounds.. just "EW GROSS!".  Like children, they are. 

This is why we need to have a more open society when it comes to sex.  If these guys were getting laid they wouldn't be like this.  

[DC Al Fine]

You can't handle the Weiner

This is going to be one of those phases you regret in 6 months.

[DC Al Fine]

On getting raped:

Yes women can be pretty bitchy about things. If you ask me she was asking for trouble. It might be nice to look at, but she's opening herself up to get preyed on. Guys have their instincts and if a guy is mentally ill, he'll go too far. While it's important to punish rapists and harassment, personal responsibility stops the problem before it occurs. Besides, she wasn't hot enough to wear such a bikini.

You bolded things to paint a picture of what I said that isn't there. Let people actually read it for what it's worth.

They can still read the whole post and have the tl;dr version be "dressing a certain way is asking for trouble, guys should not be expected to control their sexual urges, i don't live in 1450 so let's punish rapists, women still should not dress a certain way if they don't want to get raped and women have to look a certain way to wear a bikini"

Does locking one's doors mean that we think burglary is ok?

[DC Al Fine]

Does locking one's doors mean that we think burglary is ok?

Heaven forbid your house get broken into, are you gonna blame yourself for not having military grade protection on your house or the robber for breaking into your house?

Humans are expected to have self control. It is common knowledge that we are not supposed to commit rape, murder or burglaries. However, when someone decides to commit a rape for instance, it happens because a man does not have a grip on his self control. When a woman goes out wearing a bikini, it is expected of men not to f[inks]ing rape her but instead say "oh that's an attractive woman" and go on about their day. When a man decides to rape a woman, it is not because of what she's wearing, it's because men can't control their urges.

And vice versa when women rape men.

Except that men sometimes do go out looking for target. I know a lot of you like to feel all smug about saying that a woman should be able to wear whatever she wants without it causing her any problems. And I agree she should. But that's also not reality. I live in a city with very high crime rate. It's a fact of life that you lock your doors and not have anything valuable like a purse or iphone visible in your car windows. That doesn't mean it's your fault if you're victimized. Of course, criminals are responsible for the needs. But everybody also needs to be mindful of not bringing a lot of attention to vulnerabilities. Again, it's not a matter of blame. It's a matter of common sense. A woman doesn't need a burqa, but if a woman dresses like a stripper, fair or not, people are going to treat her like a stripper. Anybody who can't grasp that point needs to leave Mayberry more often.

This.

I question the link between slutty clothes and rape, but there are plenty of other risky behaviors that tend to go along with it like drunkenness and going out alone at night.

Again, the world is a sh**tty place, and there's a huge difference between victim blaming and and advising rational precautions.

20RP12, repeat after me.

The world is a bad place
The world is a bad place

Bad people do bad things
Bad people do bad things

Advice about avoiding bad things does not mean approving of bad things
Advice about avoiding bad things does not mean approving of bad things

[DC Al Fine]

Hate to get involved in the awful "discussion", but ill point out that as rape is about power and control usually instead of sex, there is probably no link between revealing clothes and rape at all. Which makes the whole insinuations even more uncomfortable.

Might I also point out that a jogging outfit of shirts and a tank top is probably more revealing than any "slutty" dress, yet is not controversial.

Look at me agreeing with BRTD, everybody.

Obviously no one's going to put their iPhone on a bench in a park and walk away, expecting it to still be there in an hour. But what does that say about society? What does it say about us as humans that we can't even be entrusted not to take what isn't ours? And we believe this is a Christian nation? Please, America doesn't have the faintest clue about Christianity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_depravity

Welcome to the wonderful world of Calvinism

[DC Al Fine]

I'm a utopianist i guess

This explains so much. Come join the dark side. Cynical ideologies are so much fun.

[DC Al Fine]

Not surprising. Religion is pox on humanity and a frequent shelter for hateful behavior.

Atheists are to history what Baptists are to biology.

[DC Al Fine]

Shall we rename this deluge after Barfbag, or shall we wait for Deluge IV to do the dishonors?

They aren't all absurd or bad, but he certainly posts a deluge of stuff.

[DC Al Fine]

I am friends with a married couple who recently had an abortion.  They already have two kids, one of whom has had significant medical problems which required multiple surgeries.  And my friends are not in the best financial position.

This third pregnancy was not planned.  After both crunching the numbers and doing some soul searching, they decided to terminate the pregnancy.  They just didn't feel they could take it on and they wanted to be the best parents they could to the two kids they've got.

I suppose you could say that the decision was made for the sake of convenience.  But I did not think it was ridiculous and selfish.  I think it was responsible.

The physical, emotional and financial costs of pregnancy and parenthood are not insignificant.  In my opinion, it is too great a burden to be borne unconsenting.

Obviously if they didn't want (or couldn't afford) another kid, then they should have only had sex twice in their entire lives.

And when they did have sex, it could only be when they were married and the man had to be on top in the missionary position.

After that, they were supposed to become celibate monks and nuns.

That is the conservative solution.

[DC Al Fine]

Aren't alphabets pretty concretely interpreted symbols?

Nah, those Germans think "W" and "J" mean totally different sounds than we do

[DC Al Fine]

Harper government is fully responsible for Lac-Mégantic accident.

[DC Al Fine]

Misvoted as Marx is obviously far more influential. But policy-wise Hayek is infinitely preferable to Marx considering Hayek, despite his image and rhetoric, supported a welfare state.

Emphasis mine.

Hayek's ideology doesn't call for my execution, so I think he is preferable policy wise.

[DC Al Fine]

The one who's ideology doesn't involve killing me and my family for the sake of revolution.

You cannot say such horrible things of Groucho, the most influential thinker in History.

The fact that you think Karl Marx is the most influential thinker in historyis absurdity and ignorance in its own right.

You know perfectly that only Jesus Christ is comparable to Karl Groucho Marx in influence. Another question is if you are not willing to admit the simple fact.

Plato? Aristotle? Sophicles? Voiltare? Locke? Jefferson? None of these people are as influencial as Marx? None? Not one?

Plato is arguable, and Aristotle is probable, but none of the others, at least not as individuals, no.

At least at our moment in history, Confucius, Shakyamuni, Aristotle, Christ, Muhammad, and Marx, and potentially a few others who I would be forgetting rather than deliberately leaving out, are pretty much in a class of their own in terms of historical influence. Marx is, however, so much more recent than all of the others that it might not look that way three or five or eight hundred years down the road. The only individual, specific liberal (broadly speaking) thinker who I think could possibly fit into this class is indeed Locke, but I just don't think Locke's contributions are as irreplaceable as all that.

I guess Galileo or Newton could be considered vaguely deserving of placement in such a pantheon, but more as symbols than as men, really. (Then again, this could be argued to be true of several of the others as well.)

In any case I don't think this sort of speculation is really all that helpful beyond being fun to think about for obsessive-categorizer types like me.

I'd throw Martin Luther if the standard is influencing the geo-political scene.

[DC Al Fine]

Re: The GOP

I mean, they're close. They're essentially one of those far-right populist parties that win about 10% of the vote in most European countries.

[DC Al Fine]

Random observation on the above: Atlas Forum, the guy, I find a lot like the pony tailed dude from Good Will Hunting. There is a tendency to take esoteric bits of information, treat it like the most elementary knowledge and then belittle those who did not know it. The overall hubris may even be more off putting about the place to females than the presumed misogyny.  

It's not so much that I think that familiarity with the thought of Jonathan Edwards is or should be elementary knowledge as that taking the title and gist of 'Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God' and using it, independent of context, to convey some sort of Salient Point about American Christianity is a specific pet peeve of mine, but yeah, I think you're right about this, and I certainly wouldn't call myself 'part of the solution' (although I'm not sure I'd agree that women as a class are a group that this alienates necessarily more than others).

As much as Nathan & others do this, in this case I think it is justified. Making an inflammatory statement like "religion is abuse" and then expecting kid gloves is absurd. Now if someone (say a hypothetical girl) had made the Jonathan Edwards comment as part of a coherent and polite argument and we acted the same way, then yes we'd be jerks for being snide about it.

[DC Al Fine]

Good point - America is as bad as North Korea for the working class.

[DC Al Fine]

Well, Bubba and a few other choice prison individuals might see to that, Bradley.

...can we ban this ftard already?

I think the forum opinion is very clear: the most favoured group to ban are people who ask to ban other people.

[DC Al Fine]

Disgusting. Obomber is a pretty dead on nickname for this man.

Your support of Assad is what's disgusting.

I rather see Assad hold power for another three decades than see another generation of Arabs growing up with a hatred of the United States. The Libyans showed their gratitude by storming our consulate. If you want Assad out, why don’t you go to Syria and enlist as a foreign volunteer in the Free Syrian Army.

So Sanchez thinks dead Arabs > America-hating Arabs. Wow.

The way things are going I tend to think it will be dead Arabs regardless of what America does.

[DC Al Fine]

To be fair, these are all good things.  Except the last five, which are just racist.

So which one of those things is bad? Is it the intact homes or the graduating from high school?

[DC Al Fine]

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 screw that prick and his faux concern. I hate it when white people act like this. As if they feel anything but joy whenever they get to talk down to black people.

[DC Al Fine]

Am I the only one who do the responsible thing if I caught HIV/AIDS?

Kill yourself (and the person who gave it to you). It's what any decent person would do.

A Russian pessimist is one who will condemn a policeman for murdering a peasant and then prove from the very highest philosophical principles that the peasant should have killed himself.
- G.K. Chesterton