Israel General Discussion: The Return of the Rotation Government

[jaymichaud]

Some EU states are discussing sanctions on Israel if this Jordan Valley move goes ahead.

Well done Likud, you've dug yourselves in a deep one.

[jaymichaud]

Some EU states are discussing sanctions on Israel if this Jordan Valley move goes ahead.

Well done Likud, you've dug yourselves in a deep one.

Eh, not gonna happen. EU members can't enforce trade sanctions unless it's backed by the rest of EU, & there will be a cold day in hell before Germany does anything that's critical of Israel.

It's not Germany that would block them, it's the Czech Republic, Austria, Romania, Hungary, maybe Poland depending how they're feeling on the day. They're the ones who blocked the condemnation of Trump's embassy move iirc.

Also, the Palestinians should think very carefully about any sort of intifada, because that's just going to end up in a lot of dead Palestinians for little actual gain. Israel has consistently shown it does not care one jot for world opinion.

They don't care about feckless orgs like the UN sure, but that's different to carrying out a reckless move that would render them a pariah state and undo 40 years of work on international relations.

[jaymichaud]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gantz-stands-ground-on-2-year-budget-says-new-elections-would-be-irresponsible/

Lol i'll be very shocked if he keeps his own seat by next election.

[jaymichaud]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/gantz-stands-ground-on-2-year-budget-says-new-elections-would-be-irresponsible/

Lol i'll be very shocked if he keeps his own seat by next election.

As head of the party, isn't he first on the ballot?

Yeah, but i'm predicting 4 or 0 seats for B&W.

[jaymichaud]

https://twitter.com/yairlapid/status/1285177777667420161?s=21

Lapid calls for Bibi to resign, says he wants to form a ‘real’ unity government. Obviously 0% chance of this happening but it’s looking like things are about to get uglier.

[jaymichaud]

New Channel 12 Poll:
Likud - 32
Yesh Atid - 18
Joint List - 15
Yamina - 15
Blue and White - 9
Meretz - 8
Shas - 8
UTJ - 8
Yisrael Beiteinu - 7
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Labor - (1.8%)
Derekh Eretz - (0.3%)
Gesher - (0.2%)
The Jewish Home - (0%)

[jaymichaud]

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/joint-list-may-break-up-due-to-division-on-conversion-therapy-report-636295

What a specific and obviously stupid hill to die on. Should be interesting to see how this plays out though.

[jaymichaud]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/02/thousands-demonstrate-against-netanyahu-as-israel-protests-gain-strength

Thousands of demonstrators have gathered outside the official residence of prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu and thronged the streets of central Jerusalem, as weeks of protests against the Israeli leader appeared to be gaining steam.

The demonstration in central Jerusalem on Saturday, along with smaller gatherings in Tel Aviv, near Netanyahu’s beach house in central Israel and at dozens of busy intersections nationwide, was one of the largest turnouts in weeks of protests.

Throughout the summer, thousands of Israelis have taken to the streets, calling for Netanyahu to resign, protesting his handling of the country’s coronavirus crisis and saying he should not remain in office while on trial for corruption charges. Though Netanyahu has tried to play down the protests, the twice-a-week gatherings show no signs of slowing.

Israeli media estimated at least 10,000 people demonstrated near the official residence in central Jerusalem.

Should we be expecting Prime Minister Gantz soon? Or will the entire government fall?

I mean, I'm not entirely sure how Netanyahu survives this...

I’d say there’s a 1% chance he ever resigns willingly

[jaymichaud]

Yesh Atid primaries are on in 2021.

[jaymichaud]

So... yeah... :

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1308997723941670912

It's probably more Sara than him. Everyone who works for them says that she's a piece of work.

[jaymichaud]

Went to a demonstration here yesterday. A leftist neighbourhood, and then I went to my sister’s area to the demonstration (radical left bastion of Haifa). Police were mainly overwhelmed with low numbers so stood by. The scenes from Tel Aviv are disturbing. The fabric of Israeli society is tearing, more than the 90’s or the point in the 80’s where civil war looked around the corner.

If this is the last hoorah than be it. I’ll join the youth at any violent protest if needed be. “It is our moral obligation to break unjust laws”.

Wait, when was this? 1982?

[jaymichaud]

One reason why international reporting of Israeli politics is so bad these days is the fact that most of the people filing the copy on it cut their teeth back when it was dominated by those two big hyper-ideological blocks*, and have failed to adjust to everything that has changed since the end of that period.

_{*Average age of international Middle East reporters and correspondents is now amongst the oldest in journalism.}

Labor Zionism vs Revisionist Zionism? Those are pretty much dead ideologies at this point.

[jaymichaud]

Is the Blue and White-Labor merger still going ahead?

I imagine so. One is basically nothing but a social issues party and another stands for literally nothing at all. Pathetic really.

[jaymichaud]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/lapid-pushes-no-confidence-vote-against-netanyahu-gantz-says-he-wont-back-it/

Lmao Gantz is f'ing weak.

[jaymichaud]

Bennett breaking to the centre saying he supports equal rights to LGBT. I can only deduce he’ll shed Smotric soon. Risky gamble by him nonetheless

Gonna be wild when he pulls a Sharon and endorses the two state solution in 2030.

[jaymichaud]

If there are early elections and the polling stays on trend, couldn't a non-Likud and non-Haredi government be formed?

A Yamina (20+) and Yesh Atid (20+) rotation with B&W (~10) and Yisrael Beiteinu (~10) as coalition partners?

[jaymichaud]

https://twitter.com/mohamedhemish/status/1324744089145888769?s=21

Bu-bu-but Orly Levy is a racist for not wanting to sit in a government with the Joint List 😤😤😤

[jaymichaud]

https://twitter.com/yairlapid/status/1322787160408367104?s=20

Everyone in Israel looks to be making preparations for Democratic control of Washington, not just Bibi.

Unrelated and late, but is this really something antisemitic?

This just seems like the standard "Liberals from out of state trying to buy our good Christian conservatives!" ad that seems to be quite common? And Schumer is the Dem majority leader, it's not like he is a random backbencher.

Would it suddenly not be anti-semitic if this ad was done in another state with a non-Jewish Dem candidate? Or if the picture was that of Biden or Pelosi? Despite the argument being the same? (Liberals from out of state buying our elections)

I agree. Not antisemitic in my eyes, it's not as if they used a Rothschild or something.

[jaymichaud]

Greenwashing?

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/legalizing-marijuana-could-happen-within-9-months-nissenkorn-648901

More like one of the highest percentage of cannabis users in the world and everyone not wanting Zehut/green leaf parties wasting votes.

It won’t happen anytime soon anyhow

Ale Yarok haven’t been running, tho?

[jaymichaud]

Yifat Shasha Biton is joining Sa’ar