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« Reply #25 on: August 25, 2017, 09:15:24 AM »

The problem with Ashton is not that she's too left wing or that her policies (such that they exist) would be unpopular....it's more that she just isn't very smart and is like a first year student who took one course on Marxism and now just chants stale slogans all day. Corbin in contrast is clearly a very intelligent and substantive man

That is a harsh way to put it, but I think you got it pretty spot on.  I've been questioning myself, wondering if the thoughts I have of her are unconsciously based on her gender. I hope they aren't, I don't think they are, in fact, I think Megan Leslie would have been our best chance at winning.  Ashton really does comes off as going as far left for the sake of being "left".  The university student example you gave sums it up pretty well. She also called for the Elbow-gate to be looked at through a "gendered lens" .  The hyper-sensationalism of painting your opponent as terribly as possible, and to do so by often playing victim-like roles, is not what politics should be about.

Angus' plays some of those games too.  It really turns people off politics when you resort to game-playing.  One thing that really turned me off from Angus was when the NDP was filibustering some votes, I forget what it was, but when it was Angus' turn to vote, he took literally over a minute to get out of his seat to stand for his name to be called just to delay an inevitable vote.  Dirty politics.  Bernie would never be playing those dirty games, he fought for what was right because it was right in a clean way.  

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« Reply #26 on: September 10, 2017, 10:31:55 AM »

Singh has been receiving international press for how he handled a racist disruption at a campaign even in Brampton. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y67DnNRPszA


I'm surprised Angus or Ashton didn't put out any kind of release.
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« Reply #27 on: September 11, 2017, 07:02:55 PM »

Those numbers tell a lot, and frankly align with what I was sensing.  Angus is not the Bernie candidate.  He is the candidate of old (probably white) folks.  Jagmeet is the candidate of younger, millennial, voters.  Look at that 18-34 number for Singh, in the 60s.  That's approaching Bernie levels among young voters. 
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« Reply #28 on: October 03, 2017, 04:44:11 PM »

Jagmeet Singh is the new Leader of the New Democratic Party of Canada, on the 1st round of voting, with 53.8% of the vote

Jagmeet Singh: 35,266 (53.8%)
Charlie Angus: 12,705 (19.4%)
Niki Ashton: 11,374 (17.4%)
Guy Caron: 6,164 (9.4%)

TOTAL # OF VOTES CAST: 65,782
REJECTED BALLOTS: 101
TOTAL # OF ABSTENTIONS: 172

Singh did better in the first round then most thought, solid first round win; Angus did worse then thought, less then 20% and Ashton did better almost tying Angus (19% and 17%) Caron did as expected, around 10%

I believe there were more first round voters then in 2012 as well, I believe the votes cast were 62K

Personally I had Ashton #1 Singh #2, purely for policy reasons (Her greater focus on government ownership, taxation, childcare plans) But I knew she would not win, she is not as likable to those outside of the left-left sphere. Singh brings left policy cred and the much needed charisma and social media presence... the NDP needs a leader who can such the wind out of Trudeau personalist government.
Singh needs Ashton,Angus and Caron to now step up in the house, along with others in the House. Singh will have to spend the next two years working grassroots rebuilding the party, expanding it in particular Quebec and Rural/Regional areas.   

Even within the left-left sphere, there are many who feel she de-legitimizes that perspective, and is hyper-reactionary and sensationalist.
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