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Mr. Reactionary
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« on: June 07, 2019, 05:09:36 PM »

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A.C.L.O Legislative Grading

National
SB 18-08: Woke Worker Protection Act
Grading: A
The Bill provides various protections to workers across many different situations in an effective manner. Firstly, it provides breastfeeding women the freedom to have their equipment at hand, a very needed act considering some jobs with on-site daycares. It moves then further to legitimize industrial action by the institutionalization of whistleblowing and striking. The Senate bill is what is the expectation to come out of the national scene.


I would just point out that Atlasia already has a dedicated organization founded on the principle of protecting workers and guaranteeing their right to organize: it's called the Labor Party.

Woke Worker Protection Act Final Vote:




I hope the A.C.L.O. will take notice of which Party voted against a bill that the A.C.L.O. gave an A rating to ...
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2019, 04:53:39 PM »

Long day at work = long afterwork rant.

Yeah, I originally had hopes this would become a legit nonpartisan pressure group but its become apparent this is a just another partisan hack group.

I mean giving a C+ grade to a PTO bill because it only expands the law a lot instead of a whole lot is b.s. you're supposed to dock for stuff you disagree with, not things you totally agree with but want to expand. Why would anyone taking your fake ranking seriously want to vote for something that has a neutral rating? You gave all the laborites As, well by voting for a C+ bill you actually have to rank them lower if they vote for a natioal PTO bill. If anything you are promoting nothing changing and killing this bill. Its like ranking an increase in the minimum wage to $14.50 and hour as a C+ bill because youd prefer $15. Insanity. Thats like a quarterback only ever throwing hail mary touchdown passes on every single play.

Refusing to identify concerns with bills is childish. If I can be bothered to spend 8 hrs of my limited free time researching, writing, and advocating for my last couple of dumb reg bills the least you can do is point out what you dont like in it. Especially since hardly anything in these bills ever touches on workers issues under the purported purview of this group.

The rankings for candidates were clearly partisan as the ACLOs own scorecards were not followed and were applied inconsistently. The Laborites who killed Occupational licensing reform in Lincoln weren't affected in their ranking despite how anti worker killing that was. The laborites who voted against guaranteed Call In Pay, which is something every labor organization wants weren't docked grades for that despite this organization publicly endorsing the bill and calling it the standard.The laborites who voted to name a day after anti worker billionaire money man Soros werent docked despite this organization docking non-laborites ... that MB can have a perfect score despite voting for the Koch bill that yall docked federalists for supporting is prima facia evidence. Yall put out an emergency call to kill a bill that would have increased the number of higher paying jobs available to domestic union workers by solely fining rich fatcats and big corporations ... why wouldn't workers want that? I mean, I guess considering the person throwing out the arbitrary rankings is a partisan elected official it makes since that all rankings support his party. Lets just dispense with this hilarious pretense of objectivity.

Could yall vote to censure me too? Id like to be held in contempt by this unfair, inconsistent, ad hoc joke of an organization. It would be fitting since ive written more pro worker bills that have become law than probably anyone in this group (save maybe Scott if he is in this group). I know Fhtagn is similarly situated having pushed through several pro worker bills. I'll gladly stand with workers over this joke group any day.

I think i covered everything. If I missed something point it out in your votes to censure me.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2019, 05:36:25 PM »

Long day at work = long afterwork rant.

Yeah, I originally had hopes this would become a legit nonpartisan pressure group but its become apparent this is a just another partisan hack group.

I mean giving a C+ grade to a PTO bill because it only expands the law a lot instead of a whole lot is b.s. you're supposed to dock for stuff you disagree with, not things you totally agree with but want to expand. Why would anyone taking your fake ranking seriously want to vote for something that has a neutral rating? You gave all the laborites As, well by voting for a C+ bill you actually have to rank them lower if they vote for a natioal PTO bill. If anything you are promoting nothing changing and killing this bill. Its like ranking an increase in the minimum wage to $14.50 and hour as a C+ bill because youd prefer $15. Insanity. Thats like a quarterback only ever throwing hail mary touchdown passes on every single play.

Refusing to identify concerns with bills is childish. If I can be bothered to spend 8 hrs of my limited free time researching, writing, and advocating for my last couple of dumb reg bills the least you can do is point out what you dont like in it. Especially since hardly anything in these bills ever touches on workers issues under the purported purview of this group.

The rankings for candidates were clearly partisan as the ACLOs own scorecards were not followed and were applied inconsistently. The Laborites who killed Occupational licensing reform in Lincoln weren't affected in their ranking despite how anti worker killing that was. The laborites who voted against guaranteed Call In Pay, which is something every labor organization wants weren't docked grades for that despite this organization publicly endorsing the bill and calling it the standard.The laborites who voted to name a day after anti worker billionaire money man Soros werent docked despite this organization docking non-laborites ... that MB can have a perfect score despite voting for the Koch bill that yall docked federalists for supporting is prima facia evidence. Yall put out an emergency call to kill a bill that would have increased the number of higher paying jobs available to domestic union workers by solely fining rich fatcats and big corporations ... why wouldn't workers want that? I mean, I guess considering the person throwing out the arbitrary rankings is a partisan elected official it makes since that all rankings support his party. Lets just dispense with this hilarious pretense of objectivity.

Could yall vote to censure me too? Id like to be held in contempt by this unfair, inconsistent, ad hoc joke of an organization. It would be fitting since ive written more pro worker bills that have become law than probably anyone in this group (save maybe Scott if he is in this group). I know Fhtagn is similarly situated having pushed through several pro worker bills. I'll gladly stand with workers over this joke group any day.

I think i covered everything. If I missed something point it out in your votes to censure me.

Let's be clear, the ACLO obviously has very clear pro-worker political leanings (that is the whole point). But it is not a partisan organization. The ACLO will oppose the Labor and Peace parties whenever they start introducing legislation that harms the workers of Atlasia.

Also, Mr. R you must have missed the part where we gave Wulfric a D- score, on par with Tea Party Hater and lower than Alancia (both Federalists); for supporting austerity and essencial service cuts in the South.

Similarly the ACLO has given decent to good scores to non-Labor candidates like Jackson Hitchcock (B), ReaganClinton (C-) and Alancia (C).

I won't lie, there is some inconsistency in grading because we have not used scorecards, these are mostly subjective ratings.

A C is a decent score and the PTO bill is decent. It is not an outstanding bill, that is why it does not get an A. If it makes it any clearer, the concept of PTO itself is an A+ concept, but its implementation as designed by the president is a C. You want concerns? Ok I will give you some:

-Not enough paid time days. Most developed countries use 20 days of paid leave. This bill only gives workers half as much time.

-Does not apply to part time employees.  Part time employees have as much of a right to paid leave as full time employees

-It might also be worthwhile to give paid leave to employees of small businesses.

Sounds like you'd rather have nothing pass than the current bill. You are holding the workers who stand to benefit hostage. That you think it should go further doesn't mean it has flaws. There is no harm in it passing from your point of view. It only helps workers right? Thatd be like me docking my own dumb reg bills because i only get 44 out of the original 50 passed. Why is your rating not measured against the status quo?
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2019, 05:46:04 PM »

Another glorious day is coming to an end in Atlasia, and I am proud to report that the A.C.L.O has spent it pushing back on scabs with good force.

Huh What does this even mean? >80% of workers are free-thinking non-union members ... its hard to claim to be pro-worker when you denigrate 80% of workers by calling them "scabs". Or do you only mean those of us who actually have a job irl. Its funny how few people in this group seem to actually have a day job. I mean, Im someone who is actually forced by law to pay money every year to the lawyer union that does absolutely nothing for me just to hold a job. Is anyone here ACTUALLY in a union in real life?
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #4 on: June 23, 2019, 04:40:05 PM »

Fhtagn has been censured by the ACLO.

ME NEXT! ME NEXT!
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2019, 06:52:47 AM »

A.C.L.O Notice of July 9, 2019

Fellow workers,

 as you may be aware, Atlasia is currently embroiled in a crisis of (currently) words. The vehicles of reaction and capital interests have begun to directly threaten the life of our current president. So far, the crisis is ongoing with little in the way of any action from any side as of this writing.

To the workers of Atlasia, I cannot stress enough the damage the moneyed interests have caused with their grip on just one region. In the domination of the Right in the South, Confederate imagery has been promoted and dead bills have sprung up regionally to pass. From there, these bills have spread to the other two regions and succeeded in various degrees. There also exists the crisis of regional flexing, in which the emboldened elite uses the South as a vehicle of attack while doughboys in the other region work for them. I cannot stress enough the clear danger of this scenario if it continues, or even proliferates to the national level. Even so, we must remember this problem lies at the stratified,  shifty system of Atlasia as a whole. It is not the specific parties or players that the clueless pundits make it out to be.

The A.C.L.O. must take action against these ongoing attacks, and for that to be possible we need to know the true scope of the situation. While the blame will be put on the Feds and ACP, one must not forget Labour failures in the South in terms of electoralism, not the fact there remains Labour members that openly voted for the options of supporting racist imagery. On the national level, blame can be brought on the inaction and passiveness in government, even when direct threats are directed at the President himself!

As the leading vehicle of working Atlasians, we must be vigilant in these coming times. Be on your toes for anything, and that goes for our adversaries as well!

Chairman PSOL.

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There are some factual inaccuracies in this statement ... specifically no one threatened anyone's life.

Nice that a "worker" group is position taking on non worker bills now like Regional flags now, despite having literally nothing to do with workers...

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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2019, 11:50:09 AM »
« Edited: July 10, 2019, 02:44:09 PM by Lumine »


The funny thing is, as a lawyer, Im required by law to pay extortion money each year to the bar union in order to keep my job ... even though I live in a non-[EDITED] (RTW) state. I wonder if Bagel pays money to a union each month or if Im the only one. Its amazing how the most antiworker/prounion posters tend to not actually have jobs or be union members in real life.
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Mr. Reactionary
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« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2019, 12:18:03 PM »


The funny thing is, as a lawyer, Im required by law to pay extortion money each year to the bar union in order to keep my job ... even though I live in a non-asshole (RTW) state. I wonder if Bagel pays money to a union each month or if Im the only one. Its amazing how the most antiworker/prounion posters tend to not actually have jobs or be union members in real life.
Are you saying the bar association is a union?

Im saying its a special interest group that any and all workers in a profession are required by law to pay money to out of some bs free-rider argument about how they do things that purportedly benefit me even though I dont actually see any tangible benefits ... sounds like a labor union to me. The only difference is that the evil exclusive bargaining agreement is set by State law instead of federal.
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« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2019, 03:52:43 PM »

This union is nonpartisan of course Smiley

Also, having confederate imagery promoted low key supports the Antebellum class system, of which is unacceptable to commemorate in any fashion.

Your highly flawed rating system says otherwise Smiley
Girl, you are so off. You had your chance to create great worker legislation in the reboot of this union, but you didn’t, and your support of cutting our vital welfare services don’t help neither.


fhtagn
Grading: F-
Explanation: Fhtagn has been a consistent opponent of this organization's goals, voting against workers rights without exception. Just this Congress she voted against all the ACLO supported acts and she has also honored people who consistently undermine the rights of labour like Fred Koch. Fhtagn will work against the workers of Atlasia.

MB
Grading: A+
Explanation: MB has been an outstanding voice for the workers of Atlasia through many of his bills like the Party like it's your birthday act or the Patent Reform Act. He has also supported the bills endorsed by the ACLO. His tendency for "meme" legislation (like the George Soros bill) can be worrying at times, but overall he is one of the strongest voices we could have in the House and doesn't detract from his outstanding job


MB voted in favor of the bill honoring the Koch family, but apparently that wasn't considered.


Also worth noting that I voted in favor of some of the same bills you've praised others for, which is not "voting against workers rights without exception". For example, MB's "Party Like It's Your Birthday Act":


I also voted in favor of expanding SNAP benefits. That's not cutting vital welfare services. However, they very same people you all have praised in this thread have done so.


If you can't be bothered to address obvious inconsistencies in your ratings, don't be surprised when people rightfully call it flawed.

I have underlined the relevant parts for you Wink

I felt that one bad bill was not enough to deny MB an A+ rating. I also focused in the places where there was a difference this Congress, and tried to avoid unanimous votes.

Except the underlined portion under your rating for me is factually untrue.

It's very clear that not only do you fail to pay attention to what is actually going on in Congress, but you also fail to provide a consistent and non-partisan rating system.
Untrue, our rating system takes complex intakes from various facets of activity in Atlasia.

Now there is nothing to change what has already been graded, but if your so keen on getting recognition for all the work you do to get your score, I ensure you that we will have no problem going through your record. That goes for all of the graded and endorsed candidates and bills from here on out.

Now with that, I think it is best for all of the players to leave this conversation behind and to move forward with working toward a better Atlasia.

When you nitpick on a bill that is "not good, but could be better" and give it a lower rating than a more consistent organization would give it, but refuse to look at how candidates vote the same way, it is very clear you guys are using personal bias and an inconsistent method in determining your rankings.


I know it makes you look bad to admit it, but the sooner you acknowledge obvious truths and push for more consistency in the future, the sooner people will actually respect your organization.
The A.C.L.O appreciates the advice given to better its place in Atlasia, especially from willing onlookers commenting on the outside. The A.C.L.O. should, and will now be, more detailed in their methodology, going to the smallest minutiae to give a clear and consistent answer. Another point of change will now be to exclude the usage of legislative potential of each bill in grading them. The supposedly claimed lack of clarity, and the confusion that followed, can be placed solely on my shoulders. With that, I believe we should move forward from this productive conversation.

Excellent decision. I know the results may not always be what you might like but it is fair. GOA is almost done with its initial rating system ... we looked at all federal laws/failed federal bills on our topic and literally just marked if each legislator voted yes or no (non votes are not counted against the legislator). Doing it that way, pretty much no one who voted on more than 1 bill ended up getting an F-, even vocal gun rights opponents get a mildly higher score than u might think (even HenryWallace), and but for his vote against DRRA 19 MB would have had a higher score than Fhtagn (not anymore unfortunately).

Consistent, mechanical rankings rather than subjective metrics are much fairer and make nonpartisan groups appear more credible.
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