Ohio redistricting thread

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                                                      OHIO MAP BASED ON PROJ 2020 CENSUS

Don't think having 3 districts in Franklin is legal. Not sure if I like splitting Butler over Warren, which is more Dayton oriented.

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                                                      OHIO MAP BASED ON PROJ 2020 CENSUS

Don't think having 3 districts in Franklin is legal. Not sure if I like splitting Butler over Warren, which is more Dayton oriented.

Nope its perfectly legal to split Franklin and Cuyahoga 3 times. I think Summit is allowed too.(Franklin is bigger than Cuyahoga)

Also do you agree with my cut of SW Ohio?

Ah, mea culpa. Well in any case I still think it's not great fair districting, if that's what Torie was aiming for.

Your cut of SW OH makes a lot of sense, though there's a bit of leftover population needed in either the Dayton or suburban Cincy district. For that pop I don't see any harm in going into Clark, though it seems like Preble is easier without splitting stuff?

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Thoughts on this 8 R - 7 D OH map based on 2016 Pres results?

In addition to Max's comment, I also think the splits seem a little squiggly and potentially unfair.

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FWIW you can do two Columbus districts fairly easy--nest one in Franklin County and the other in Delaware and Franklin, plus a cut from either Licking or Fairfield. It's the same number of county splits as on Torie's current map but the splits are more reflective of communities, since both Licking and Fairfield have Columbus suburbia but also fairly disconnected county seats.

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Joyce Beatty is Black, but she represents a seat which is majority-White and only 1/3rd Black--not exactly protected under the VRA.

Plus as you know adhering to the city of Columbus's boundaries is very difficult as they are noncontiguous and nonsensical.

Let me mock up a quick map of the Columbus area--I'll post once I finish.

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Oh, are you using the 2020 projections? TBH I have not really been able to figure out how to use them.

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Here's a rough pass at a Franklin-Delaware (+Licking) seat. I'm using 2018 numbers so the green district can probably shrink a little. I drew the lines in Franklin with an eye to maximize the Black %.

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You could also go into both Licking and Fairfield, though it does require a split of a township on 2018 numbers. That said, it's probably better CoI wise. Golly, this exercise is really bringing out my inner Californian (redistricter).

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Oh, are you using the 2020 projections? TBH I have not really been able to figure out how to use them.

I can send you my spreadsheet so that you can admire my genius if you like. PM me if so. You need a matrix chart to move county populations around, after projecting each county's population, an on the side for chops split the pop pie assuming the population change in the county is uniform. After some practice, you can move stuff around fairly quickly.

Ah I see! I may PM you--though I may hold off since I'm a little wary of using spreadsheets given the issues with divergent growth within counties.

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Oh, are you using the 2020 projections? TBH I have not really been able to figure out how to use them.

I can send you my spreadsheet so that you can admire my genius if you like. PM me if so. You need a matrix chart to move county populations around, after projecting each county's population, an on the side for chops split the pop pie assuming the population change in the county is uniform. After some practice, you can move stuff around fairly quickly.

Ah I see! I may PM you--though I may hold off since I'm a little wary of using spreadsheets given the issues with divergent growth within counties.

In Franklin, the population change rate between Columbus and the balance of the county is very close. The difference between cities and suburbs in a country are in general far less divergent this time than they were in the run up to 2010. The cities came back.

Was thinking more wrt: Licking and Fairfield.

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Has anyone found a way to make a CVAP plurality Black district in Cleveland? I've tried a bunch with it but haven't been able to find a way which stays in Cuyahoga County--have to go into Twinsburg or surrounds.

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I don't think the Youngstown area belongs with Lake County.

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Torie, I think your OH-07 is illegal. Every district has to either be entirely contained within a single county or include at least one whole county. OH-07 only has parts of three different counties.

Right you are! I can't get away with anything with you guys!

Well, the gerrymander light will need to get a little less light then. I am going to punish the Dems for forcing me to follow this stupid law, and then punish them some more. I have a plan!

Sol or somebody started this by whining about severing Trumbull from Mahoning (that is legal isn't it?), and one thing leads to another and then another. OH-14 has some surplus Pubs, and it is time to put them to work! 

Cmon man, I was criticizing Kwabbit's fair map--if your priority is partisan advantage go to town!

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I know you're drawing from a more partisan-inflected perspective, but NW Ohio on your map seems pretty on point from a nonpartisan perspective too

Ohio folks--is Toledo a better fit with areas to the west, or with Sandusky and environs?

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^The fair map of Ohio which I've been picking to death working on has something similar.

Do you know of a way to draw a variation of that which doesn't split townships? I can't seem to figure one out.

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Ok, here's what I've been working on wrt: Ohio. Not super happy with it though.

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And here's the map image (yay!)

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Here's a map which readjusts Springfield. I also made a few edits in Cuyahoga, but not exactly the same as what you suggested lfromnj--I don't love the odd boundary between the Eastern suburbs district and Cleveland. Does this put the streetcar suburbia properly in Cleveland?

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Here's a map which readjusts Springfield. I also made a few edits in Cuyahoga, but not exactly the same as what you suggested lfromnj--I don't love the odd boundary between the Eastern suburbs district and Cleveland. Does this put the streetcar suburbia properly in Cleveland?

Yeah thats fine, I didn't like it either (that boundary with regards to Pike)and I am willing to split one more township but turns out you didn't have to in your estimates.

I would probably also be willing to split a northern Summit town rather than taking an inner ring Akron suburb with the Eastern Cleveland district. Although northern Summit is still Akron Suburbia Its closer to a mix between the 2 areas.

One last thing is I would try to find a way to put Union County with the northern Cbus district although if it would ruin the rest of your map don't do it.

Is Union County really much of a CoI with greater Columbus?

Union and Madison are kind of awkward--they don't fit in great with Ashland and Mansfield, or with Southern Ohio. However, they have a lot of people so if you put them in the 4th you have to lose a lot of people.

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Yeah, but if you look at population densities it seems like Lancaster (and Fairfield) are the obvious fits with Columbus:

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Plus NW Fairfield and SW Lancaster are really close to the city, and just seem more Columbus-oriented than more exurban Union.

To be honest if it weren't for Ohio redistricting laws I'd just add Palatka, Elba, and Violet Township to the Delaware district and call it a day.

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North and South Columbus must be in two different districts. South Columbus is more culturally like Athens Ohio than anywhere else and North Columbus should go in a district with DelCo. Anything else is a gerrymander.

This bit is extremely tiresome.

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If we're throwing Ohio maps into the ring, this is what I did in my redistricting thread.

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Looking back on it now, I would probably sacrifice a little BVAP for more coherent lines in Columbus, but otherwise I think this makes sense.

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Now watch the nY high court side with the gop lol

Pretty gross to see red avatars rooting for disgusting gerrymander. You are an opponent of democracy.

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Now watch the nY high court side with the gop lol

Pretty gross to see red avatars rooting for disgusting gerrymander. You are an opponent of democracy.

The NY map is extremely fair. The initial one was a disgusting gerrymander.

I agree!