NDP Leadership Convention 2017

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Division over whether the date should be this fall, next winter or later.

From the article:
Leaders must be elected by secret ballot; every party member is entitled to cast a ballot; and voting is held in rounds, such that candidates with the least support get dropped off the list until a front-runner has 50 per cent of the votes plus one.

How does this voting work, are the 'rounds' an instant run-off, or are they genuine rounds involving people needing to vote again either on the same day or on a later day?

If it's like 2012, then it's both. People who mail in their vote do so by IRV, and those who go to the convention can vote in each round, separately.

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Cullen has changed his mind, says he'll announce his decision this week but seems ready to jump in.

I don't believe there is any doubt that he won't win if he runs, which is a shame because it will be an open/shut vote.

I don't necessarily agree with that. Let's see who runs first. I think Jagmeet Singh could give Cullen a run for his money.

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Singh isn't mentioned on that list. What do you think of Boulerice and Julian?

Singh isn't around "Ottawa circles" maybe. Plus, the media doesn't really know the NDP. But I get the feeling that if he does run, Singh would be one of the favourites.

I worked for Peter Julian many years ago. He's a very hard working MP and has lots of Quebec connections. Not sure if he has the je ne sais quoi to be leader though. I don't know much about Boulerice, but obviously he's the strongest Quebec candidate (outside of a fantasy REB candidacy).

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Lots of NDPers are talking about Jagmeet, and I think I'd back him right now - but he's totally unknown outside of NDP/Queen's Park circles.

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Charlie Angus would be great, except his French isn't good enough.

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OK then...

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Apparently Jagmeet Singh made a rousing speech at the Alberta NDP convention (perhaps his Obama moment?), which is leading many to speculate he's running.

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One could imagine anyone in the Quebec caucus could switch, I suppose. Maybe Linda Duncan, considering she's in Alberta?

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One could imagine anyone in the Quebec caucus could switch, I suppose. Maybe Linda Duncan, considering she's in Alberta?

With Rachel Notley in provincial power, I doubt Duncan's going anywhere.

Well, the entire Alberta NDP would disaffiliate and change their name.

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The Hill Times on the poll I conducted: https://www.hilltimes.com/2016/08/15/charlie-would-make-an-incredible-leader-angus-touted-as-potential-ndp-leadership-candidate-chow-tops-poll-of-ndp-supporters/76818

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It's all name recognition at this point. She won't even run.

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His French isn't very good; I don't even know if he's actually fully bilingual, despite representing a riding with a significant French population.

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Just remember, Bernie Sanders also doesn't have the best views on gun control.

But I agree, Peter Julian is very, very smart. He's not as well known as Ashton, and therefore isn't as well known outside of activist circles as being a leftist. He's probably the best ROC candidate to appeal to Quebecers (if that's possible), considering he used to live in Quebec, and actually ran provincially there!

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Say what you want about Sid Ryan, but the evidence shows that he was never able to even win in Oshawa. I think outspoken labour candidates are too polarizing to do well in Canadian politics.

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Is there anyone that isn't fully pro-abortion, or anyone who will allow pro-life or at the least anti-abortion positions on morality, to run. I doubt it.

I believe you're looking for the Conservative leadership thread.

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Is there anyone that isn't fully pro-abortion, or anyone who will allow pro-life or at the least anti-abortion positions on morality, to run. I doubt it.

I believe you're looking for the Conservative leadership thread.

Yuhh, at least in other countries an anti-abortion stand is at least somewhat tolerated, or allow a moral vote on the issue, sometimes.

I know. Canada is probably the most pro-abortion country, at least in policy and unwillingness of even mainstream Conservatives to touch the issue. Though I know a sizable chunk of the population is pro life.

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Is there anyone that isn't fully pro-abortion, or anyone who will allow pro-life or at the least anti-abortion positions on morality, to run. I doubt it.

I believe you're looking for the Conservative leadership thread.

Yuhh, at least in other countries an anti-abortion stand is at least somewhat tolerated, or allow a moral vote on the issue, sometimes.

The Liberals only recently decided to be 100% pro-choice, but the NDP has been, to paraphrase BRTD 'all pro choice, all the time' for a long time.

Part of this stems from the history of the party. Labour parties in a lot of countries had a Catholic worker element, so there was usually room for a small pro-life wing. The main religious influence on the NDP has always been social gospel Protestants, which as you know, aren't the most pro-life lot.

Indeed. The United Church (Canada's largest Protestant denomination) is actually officially pro choice!

I do know some pro-life NDP supporters, so they exist. But there's no hope for them influencing anything.

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Do you know about the Draft Jagmeet Singh page? It already has 1,555 likes.

Meanwhile...

Draft Sid Ryan has 201 likes
Rebecca Blaikie has 2 likes (must have just started)
Niki Ashton has 297 likes
Megan Leslie has 94 likes (but she's not running)
Dana Larsen has 36 likes
Charlie Angus has 99 likes


I think it's obvious who the front runner is

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Great article on why Jagmeet should run / be leader: https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/10/08/leaderless-ndp-looks-to-rising-star-jagmeet-singh-cohn.html

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced he will be the next NDP leader.

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Great article on why Jagmeet should run / be leader: https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/10/08/leaderless-ndp-looks-to-rising-star-jagmeet-singh-cohn.html

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced he will be the next NDP leader.

Toronto based journalist supports Toronto based politician for leader of a national party.  Film at 11.

Of course, when I first read a post about how some Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama would win the Democratic primary for U.S Senate,  I replied "You're delusional, Dan Hynes will win that nomination handily."  So, what do I know?

FWIW, I'm from Ottawa, and I think he's going to win.

And let's just say, I correctly predicted Trudeau in 2007: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=66990.0

(and they [specifically our dear moderator] called me crazy)

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Great article on why Jagmeet should run / be leader: https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2016/10/08/leaderless-ndp-looks-to-rising-star-jagmeet-singh-cohn.html

The more I think about it, the more I am convinced he will be the next NDP leader.

Toronto based journalist supports Toronto based politician for leader of a national party.  Film at 11.

Of course, when I first read a post about how some Illinois State Senator named Barack Obama would win the Democratic primary for U.S Senate,  I replied "You're delusional, Dan Hynes will win that nomination handily."  So, what do I know?

FWIW, I'm from Ottawa, and I think he's going to win.

And let's just say, I correctly predicted Trudeau in 2007: https://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=66990.0

(and they [specifically our dear moderator] called me crazy)

What makes you say that? curious is all, given no one is really in the field so were really just talking about the "potentials". Given you got the LPC leadership right wondering what magic you have?

Call it intuition. He's who the NDP establishment seems to be the most excited about, and thinking about his potential opponents, he's the only one who really excite people the most.

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Jagmeet is much more interested in federal politics. That's why he ran federally the first time in 2011.  And wouldn't he qualify as the unknown non MP?

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How good is Charlie Angus' French?

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I think Charlie Angus has a decent chance of winning, but his lack of abilities in French (despite representing a riding with a large Fanco population) certainly hurts his chances. I don't know about other dippers, but it was a major reason why I decided against supporting Paul Dewar for leader in 2012.

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He is definitely running:

"In the months ahead, I’m looking forward to talking to colleagues & Canadians about their vision for our party & our country"

Good call, because he is the least well known of the potential candidates (other than Caron), so it is good that he will be the first to declare.

If Singh doesn't run, I will support Julian, because I used to work in his office (and also, he would be a very qualified leader)