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« on: July 03, 2011, 10:39:20 PM »

Can we make upstate New York a state of it's own please? We'd no longer be tied to long island and New York City's leftist voters.

Wouldn't upstate New York still lean Democrat?
Yes, but it'd be more of a swing zone and we'd elect less left-wing people.

County elections would be the same but, our electoral power would be diminished even though we would become swing [still lean democrat for Presidential].  Which of course means that our gains politically, will not balance out our loss financially/economically.
Electoral power? Upstate and Long Island would each get 2 new senators of their own. That means there'd be 4 people in the senate speaking for opinions of non-NYC new yorkers instead of just two senators that get elected by a majority-NYC/downstate electorate.

The is true for the short and medium term. I'll agree with you 100% on there but do not consider it as much of a bad thing as you do for the following reasons.

1) Having hypothetical states of Ontario and Long Island on their own would mean that those two areas would no longer be quite as dependent on New York City's prosperity for their tax bases. This enables more stable financial planning.
2) Without New York City's voters to vote for every hip liberal/green regulatory fad, there would be less regulation holding us back. This means that we'd go from being the second or third worst regulatory environment to merely being a state with pretty bad regulations.
3) Without NYC's dominance, voters in upstate and Long Island would be able to re-focus their state's economic agendas to fit them, instead of having to make all policy, planning and wealth go to enriching New York City.

Yes, it'd be a few decades of economic pain and severe economic contraction post-split, but it would be worth it in the long run. New York City's voters get their hip financial center, Upstate voters get to attempt to revive their industrial economy and Long island gets to use it's skilled labor to make itself rich.

You would call the new state Ontario? Oh dear.
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