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Jake
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« on: May 31, 2005, 08:33:02 PM »

They have interests that are diametrically opposed to America's further success in the War on Terror. Whether that makes them "anti-American" is pure opinion.
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« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2005, 08:37:29 PM »

Link? I love watching his misspeaks Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2005, 05:52:08 PM »

Terrorists, just like murderers, rapists, etc, have no rights, and for any who may not be terrorists, tough luck. War is hell.
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2005, 07:44:10 PM »

Terrorists, just like murderers, rapists, etc, have no rights, and for any who may not be terrorists, tough luck. War is hell.

So, you would prefer to have no legal rights.

I'd prefer not to go to a terrorist supporting nation and run around with people fighting Americans.
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Jake
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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2005, 11:27:05 AM »

From the Weekly Standard this week:


An American Gulag?

First came AI secretary general Irene Khan's press statement releasing the report in London, which announced that the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo "has become the gulag of our times." That she meant the word gulag in its original sense--Stalin's camps in the Soviet Union through which millions upon millions of political prisoners passed and where many died--is underlined by the reference in her next sentence to Guantanamo evoking "images of Soviet repression." When the Washington Post editorial page, among many others, refused to countenance a comparison of such profound incomparables, she responded in a letter accusing it, astonishingly, of quibbling over semantics.

The "gulag" characterization was accompanied, however, by another allegation, nearly unnoticed in the press, yet if anything more 
outrageous in its implications. So-called "ghost detentions" by the United States, Khan said, do not merely evoke "images of" Stalin's camps. They actually "bring back" the "practice of 'disappearances' so popular with Latin American dictators in the past." Amnesty thus accuses the United States government of "disappearing"--kidnapping and secretly murdering--people. On what evidence? Well, none in Amnesty's actual report--but, in the press conference, it was said to be on the basis of not reporting all detainees, even ones who are not (in a perfectly defensible even if, to Amnesty, disagreeable reading of the Geneva Conventions) actual POWs who must be reported to the International Committee of the Red Cross.

Then there was the remarkable call by William Schulz, Amnesty International's USA executive director, in his own press conference, for foreign governments to investigate and arrest U.S. officials, should they venture abroad, for their alleged complicity in torture. Apparently very serious stuff--the media certainly thought so. "Torture," however, in AI's expansive view includes even the mere holding of a detainee "incommunicado." Moreover, since AI apparently regards all the detainees as entitled to full POW protections under the Third Geneva Convention, any departure from mere "name, rank, and serial number" questions is, for it, grounds for foreign governments to arrest U.S. officials and military officers for war crimes. Suffice it to say that the United States does not agree that all detainees are entitled to Geneva protections, and to the extent that something as flimsy as this is the basis for Amnesty's call for foreign governments to make arrests of U.S. officials, those foreign governments might want to be very, very careful.

I posted the interesting parts with the extreme comments.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2005, 01:15:03 PM »

No matter how bad the terrorists at Guantanamo are treated, and I couldn't care less how bad, the fact remains. Guantanamo is not like a Soviet Gulag. I really encourage the fools at AI to examine past reports about Soviet Gulags, some made by their organization, and see if they measure up. Of course, they prefer out there rhetoric that has no basis in fact.
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