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traininthedistance
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« on: January 17, 2015, 10:32:23 AM »
« edited: January 17, 2015, 10:34:41 AM by traininthedistance »

To a large extend, Libertas brought this upon himself. While there was some improvement from his old version, he retained essentially the same unnecessary belligerent attitude and just couldn't keep himself from escalating the whole "controversy" by reacting to every provocation by the likes of Snowstalker he should've ignored. The victim complex of some "grand conspiracy to reban him" didn't help either.

I really tried to be helpful to him, and so did the others, but he just didn't listen.

I can't speak to his old version, which I wasn't around for, but this seems about right.  Arguably the leash he was given in the first place was too tight, and I'd have been somewhat more lenient myself, but that's pretty obviously on Nym & co. rather than some imagined fever swamp "ban brigade".  

I guess you could say that his hyperventilating persecution complex turned into a self-fulfilling prophecy, as it was tres disruptive and trollish, and turned off many people (such as myself) who do genuinely believe in second chances and free expression and all that.  But that obviously shouldn't be taken as confirmation of his paranoia any more than the lack of space given to "Jews did 9/11!!!!" conspiracy theories in the media would prove, well, you know.

As for the poll itself, I'm abstaining.
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traininthedistance
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« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2015, 03:06:30 PM »
« Edited: January 17, 2015, 03:12:51 PM by traininthedistance »

Figures that the True Leftists would rally around Libertas.  Roll Eyes  

What the hell are you talking about? Noted homophobic true leftist Snowstalker is ecstatic about the banning, while people like BRTD and myself, sworn enemies of the True Leftist menace, are rightfully disgusted.

I'm in full agreement with Lief on this one. I may be a staunch liberal, but I've not identified with those proclaiming themselves as "True Leftists". After all, I don't think you'll be finding too many Hillary Clinton supporters (such as myself) among that group. I objectively, sincerely, and vehemently think this was a terrible decision by those that control the banning process. Those that supported this ban (with very limited exception) are by and large prudes and homophobes, despite some proclaiming themselves as social liberals.

I may not be the most active poster here by any means, but I have to question my own membership here. It's readily apparent that certain people are not wanted here and it's not hard to see some that'll be targeted next. There's something seriously wrong with this forum and it appears that those elements are getting stronger over time. I've seen this sort of action kill forums in the past and this one will be a shell of its former self if it's allowed to continue. Good members have already been pushed out over faulty administrative decisions. This will only exacerbate the situation. If people are being targeted for banning, advance notice would hardly be a bad thing.
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I'm sure that afleitch and Marokai are thrilled to hear that they're homophobic "prudes" now.  And of course let's not forget fact that one of our proudest "anti-pruders", Grumps, was beating the ban drumbeat loudest, whereas Madeleine, who with the possible exception of Simfan is the only poster here who can actually be described in any honest way as "prudish", was in Libertas's corner.  It totally all fits that explanation, duh!

"Very limited exception" my eye.  I don't know why you feel the need to default to this explanation, but repeating it over and over (obviously there are many folks beside you who are doing so, and this post is a response to them as well) doesn't make it any less ludicrous.  

TBH I would argue that the very term "prude" is something without a meaningful and consistent definition except as a term of vague abuse anyway, and thus needs to stop being used so much. But such an argument isn't a necessary part of my point.

The one thing I will agree with here is your last sentence.  The Mods have an obligation to do a better job communicating limits and providing warnings; doing so won't silence every sh*t-stirrer but it's the right thing to do and will certainly help matters.
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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2015, 06:15:01 PM »
« Edited: January 17, 2015, 06:17:21 PM by traininthedistance »

I have nothing but the utmost respect for afleitch and I am unaware of any of any his postings about this matter

He hasn't said much but this bit on the Atlas subforum makes it pretty clear, I think:

I just don't get it. Does no one else think his PM's are creepy? I've had two in which he's congratulated me on my physique, mentioned how good he looks in tight pink leggings from H&M and offered to send me verified photos of himself, his partner and a recommendation from his employer. Something still doesn't sit right with me.

I'm happy to concede that there are some serious issues with consistency and communication from the Mod team that, in the end, do make this re-ban really problematic.  I just wish that the legitimate anti-ban arguments could be separated out from the "sexless joyless Prude Brood" and "evil ban warrior Oakvale" nonsense that they seem to always get packaged with.  Does that make any sense?
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