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Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸
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« on: August 22, 2020, 07:36:50 PM »

In my experience, younger Millennials and Gen Z’s that vote Libertarian have the following characteristics:
1) White males
2) Reject socialism and many forms of government control
3) Are really concerned about government spending and the debt
4) Think both parties are corrupt & only care about big money
5) Are non-religious and are sick of the GOP’s social/cultural conservatism
6) Don’t like the Democrats plans to spend a bunch on social welfare stuff.
The most important of the 6, though, are #2, 4, and 5.

I think there is a certain generational aspect to some of this.

I'm a mid-Millennial (b. late '80s) and I think for a lot of people my age, libertarianism served the purpose that socialism or tankie LARPing seems to be serving for some disaffected Zoomers. It's an anti-establishment ideology that allows you to criticize the status quo without taking sides in contemporary political conflicts. This was especially true in the Bush years when conservatism was heavily defined by opposition to gay marriage and support for war in Afghanistan, Iraq and possibly Iran.

A lot of the people I knew who identified as libertarians in their late teens/early 20s simply drifted into the mainstreams of one of the major parties as they got older.

One of the most ironic and disturbing phenomena is how many college kids who were into Ron Paul in 2008 are now basically blood-and-soil Trumpists, and I think that says a lot about what libertarianism actually is as an ideology in practice in the United States.
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Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸
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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2020, 09:13:33 PM »

In my experience, younger Millennials and Gen Z’s that vote Libertarian have the following characteristics:
1) White males
2) Reject socialism and many forms of government control
3) Are really concerned about government spending and the debt
4) Think both parties are corrupt & only care about big money
5) Are non-religious and are sick of the GOP’s social/cultural conservatism
6) Don’t like the Democrats plans to spend a bunch on social welfare stuff.
The most important of the 6, though, are #2, 4, and 5.

I think there is a certain generational aspect to some of this.

I'm a mid-Millennial (b. late '80s) and I think for a lot of people my age, libertarianism served the purpose that socialism or tankie LARPing seems to be serving for some disaffected Zoomers. It's an anti-establishment ideology that allows you to criticize the status quo without taking sides in contemporary political conflicts. This was especially true in the Bush years when conservatism was heavily defined by opposition to gay marriage and support for war in Afghanistan, Iraq and possibly Iran.

A lot of the people I knew who identified as libertarians in their late teens/early 20s simply drifted into the mainstreams of one of the major parties as they got older.

One of the most ironic and disturbing phenomena is how many college kids who were into Ron Paul in 2008 are now basically blood-and-soil Trumpists, and I think that says a lot about what libertarianism actually is as an ideology in practice in the United States.

Basically you described a lot of people that I know.

Although I don't think a lot of Ron Paul youth in 2008-2012 became Trumpists.

If you read articles about the Alt-Right types, a lot of them will mention getting into politics because of Ron Paul.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2020, 08:30:04 PM »

Do Libertarians and Greens not feel like the gamesmanship by the major parties regarding letting them on the ballot is proof that they do nothing but serve as spoilers?

What is the Green Party explanation for why Republicans so badly want them on the ballot?
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« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2020, 06:22:01 PM »

guys what parties would each SpongeBob character be

Mr. Krabs is absolutely discreetly voting for Trump while avoiding arguments with his daughter Pearl who recently became a WRA (Whale Rights Activist) and is supporting Biden.

Squidward is voting for Trump even though as a fast food worker he has little to gain from doing so.

SpongeBob can't decide and wishes he could vote for all the candidates but he can't get a ride to the polls and ends up crashing a boat on the way there (Mrs. Puff is involved) and ultimately never gets to vote.

Sandy is helping to turn Texas blue.

Patrick is on the QAnon bandwagon but can't vote because he forgot to register.

Plankton is voting for Jorgensen because he's a techno-libertarian who idolizes Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk.
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Indy Texas 🇺🇦🇵🇸
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« Reply #4 on: October 26, 2020, 06:31:10 PM »

Nick News still exists!? I guess even generations after mine have had their Sunday nights ruined too.

Linda Ellerbee actually came to my elementary school to give a speech in the late '90s. She's from Texas and IIRC our principal or one of the teachers was a friend of hers.
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