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« on: February 14, 2014, 11:42:35 PM »

Sen. Corker said Wednesday that the plant would get a new SUV line if the vote failed.

Yes, and VW later denied that. Considering the plants they operate in every other country are unionized, I don't see what incentive they would have to move production to one of those if Chattanooga unionized.

I think VW should petition the NLRB for a waiver to allow them to implement the works council without having the UAW or an outside union involved. The reality is that as more and more Americans are employed by foreign firms with very different corporate cultures, we're going to have to reconsider how labor laws written in the early 20th century are relevant today.

I realize that the point of the laws originally was to keep companies from having "in-house unions" that would basically rubber stamp whatever the owner wanted to do and make employees pay dues for the privilege. But what VW wanted isn't even a union in the American sense. It wasn't about collective bargaining for wages and benefits; it was about giving employees input in decision making regarding operations.

European and Japanese companies simply do not subscribe to the uniquely American belief that the only people that matter in a company are its stockholders and that everyone else, from managers to employees to customers, can go @#$% themselves. And by trying to shoehorn these firms into an American-style labor union arrangement, we're essentially doing exactly what the people who opposed the union probably don't want to do - have politicians tell a private business how to manage its affairs.
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« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2014, 01:29:40 PM »

This sort of makes me wonder if the next major Republican policy push would be against unions instead of social security or health care. I could easily see this becoming something that could be a winner for Republicans in 2017 if they don't get in too over their heads like Clinton did with healthcare and Obama almost did with health care. Perhaps it would be something between a National Right to Work Law or a law that will allow states to no longer have unions recognized in their states.

Unions are much too popular nationwide for this to be a winning issue.

The reason the union lost this time was that Corker and others threatened them.

They're so popular than union busters Rick Snyder, Scott Walker, and John Kasich are all favored for re-election in bluish/purplish states.

This is a shame, but no surprise. These days, even the Republican cashiers at McDonald's are just temporarily embarrassed millionaires, so they see no irony in hating unions.

Then clearly the solution is for rich people to get union representation too. There could be an American Federation of Managers (AFM) and a United Stockholders of America (USA! USA!). Someone has to stick up for these people!
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2014, 09:58:48 PM »

The construction unions serve not only to give their members a say, but they generally provide employers with a labor pool certified to be skilled at their task.  That function is likely why the construction unions are able to command a premium.

The main thing about unions is that you can ensure and retain quality and professionalism by being able to incentivize competent workers for going to Business School and staying on the floor. I am guessing networks (globalization) and computers (mechanization) have a lot of trades that depend on people staying and doing a good job obsolete. The only jobs that are not in themselves professional and managerial now are service jobs.

The problem with them has been that employers and customers have been tolerant of just low paid service workers doing a half assed job. It would be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of decades. Will they organize and provide a better product that people are willing to pay for? Will they in turn be replaced a new wave of inexpensive robots with enough AI? Will there be no problems with the current status quo of very little asked for and very little given?



You could argue that the reason service jobs are that way is because consumers don't demand any better. Most of the services we "consume" are fleeting, perfunctory encounters. Sure, the cashier at Wal-Mart may be slow and not know where items are and the lines may be long, but people put up with that for 15 minutes so they can pay less for the TV that they'll use hours a day for years. As long as the TV works as it should, there's nothing else to complain about.

I recently did some reorganizing at home and bought a lot of shelving and boxes at The Container Store. The staff were helpful and eager to answer my questions, had a lot of ideas and knew a lot about the products. Because they're relatively well paid, they can afford to buy the products their store sells and can offer advice based on their own experiences with the products. I was really taken aback by how much personal investment and pride they seemed to have in their work. They weren't people who were getting paid $8 an hour, were going to work there a few months and then move on to somewhere else that paid $8 an hour.

But the difference between the Container Store employee and the Wal-Mart employee is also one of expertise. Even if the Wal-Mart employee were paid more, I really don't need advice on buying shampoo and soda. There's nothing complex about that in the way there is about knowing what shelves will fit, what the dimensions are and how well they'll hold up over time and what kind of screws and nails to use to install them.

So, at risk of deviating into Tom Friedman territory, if you want to get paid more than $8 an hour, you need to offer something "extra." There's not a lot of "extra" involved in simply standing at a register, scanning items and swiping the customer's credit card.
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