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Question: Is it fair for male politicians to deliberately avoid being alone with female reporters/staffers?
#1
Yes, sadly this is a necessity in the #MeToo era
 
#2
Yes, to maintain a sense of propriety
 
#3
Generally yes, but in this case it was handled poorly
 
#4
Generally no, but in this case it was fair
 
#5
No, this is discrimination
 
#6
Regardless, women shouldn't be allowed to work
 
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Dabeav
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« on: July 11, 2019, 07:30:42 PM »

I would've done the same thing.
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« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2019, 11:15:27 AM »


"In this #MeToo era"

3 examples listed from long before the #MeToo era, one from as far back at the mid-1970s (!), and none of which involved a politician

Are there false accusations in this, the #MeToo era?

That's a "yes" or a "no".



What's next, refusal to be alone with a black person because they might murder him?

Plenty of people have been doing that already for many decades from embedded racism.  #MeToo has had a side-effect of something quite different: men protecting themselves by "being better" and avoiding close confrontations with women as to have plausible deniability from any false accusations.

It is easier just to avoid any compromising situation in the chance one of these women is out to take you down with a false accusation, where the court of public opinion would immediately find you guilty and your career ruined.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2019, 01:06:14 PM »


There is a difference between (largely irrational) worrying about potential negative consequences of well-intentioned professional interactions in an unequal power relationship in the same organization, and not meeting with a reporter as a candidate for public office because she happens to be a woman. The latter is stupid enough to be disqualifying on its own for public office.

And remember, basically all of these assholes who have been busted for sexual harassment in the #metoo era have had accusations laid at them by multiple unrelated women. It is one thing to think one crazy/vindictive woman could make false allegations against you, but if you fear that would cause some some sort of career-ending chain reaction, you either have no respect for women, or you have legitimate skeletons in the closet.

Ahem

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/05/23/michigan-state-keith-mumphery-lawsuit-sex-assault-claims

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Brian-Banks-Rape-Case-Exonerated-NFL-Atlanta-Falcons-218978851.html

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/mans-life-destroyed-following-classmates-false-rape-allegation/news-story/05ba6eeffae4791c3b99993634afa226


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Dabeav
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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2019, 02:02:06 PM »


... and the "one crazy/vindictive woman" in each of those cases was found out and either forced to cough up damages or sent to prison. Have I not said there is some room for understandable concern, given the increased media coverage of such events?

Also, they have no similarities to the situation at hand here. I don't see what point you're trying to make.

Dude still lost 10 years of his life that he'll never get back.

And the point is simple: one person can ruin another person's life.
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Dabeav
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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2019, 02:10:30 PM »


There is a difference between (largely irrational) worrying about potential negative consequences of well-intentioned professional interactions in an unequal power relationship in the same organization, and not meeting with a reporter as a candidate for public office because she happens to be a woman. The latter is stupid enough to be disqualifying on its own for public office.

And remember, basically all of these assholes who have been busted for sexual harassment in the #metoo era have had accusations laid at them by multiple unrelated women. It is one thing to think one crazy/vindictive woman could make false allegations against you, but if you fear that would cause some some sort of career-ending chain reaction, you either have no respect for women, or you have legitimate skeletons in the closet.

Ahem

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/05/23/michigan-state-keith-mumphery-lawsuit-sex-assault-claims

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Brian-Banks-Rape-Case-Exonerated-NFL-Atlanta-Falcons-218978851.html

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/mans-life-destroyed-following-classmates-false-rape-allegation/news-story/05ba6eeffae4791c3b99993634afa226

No one has denied that there are some examples of false accusations here and there, just like there are examples of men committing rape here and there. However, if someone was afraid to be alone with Donborvio because he's a man and men have committed rape, I think you would cry foul, even if I linked 3 news articles about other men committing rapes.

The fact is that false accusations are extremely rare and not something that you should blanket suspect women of, any more than you should suspect every black person of being a murderer.

And if they were, I would respect their state of mind and try to keep my distance. And I know there are many actual rapes, never denied that.  I'm batting for the good people that don't want their lives ruined by malicious people. 
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Dabeav
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Posts: 3,785
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E: 2.19, S: -5.39

« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2019, 02:39:48 PM »


There is a difference between (largely irrational) worrying about potential negative consequences of well-intentioned professional interactions in an unequal power relationship in the same organization, and not meeting with a reporter as a candidate for public office because she happens to be a woman. The latter is stupid enough to be disqualifying on its own for public office.

And remember, basically all of these assholes who have been busted for sexual harassment in the #metoo era have had accusations laid at them by multiple unrelated women. It is one thing to think one crazy/vindictive woman could make false allegations against you, but if you fear that would cause some some sort of career-ending chain reaction, you either have no respect for women, or you have legitimate skeletons in the closet.

Ahem

https://www.si.com/college-football/2018/05/23/michigan-state-keith-mumphery-lawsuit-sex-assault-claims

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Brian-Banks-Rape-Case-Exonerated-NFL-Atlanta-Falcons-218978851.html

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/mans-life-destroyed-following-classmates-false-rape-allegation/news-story/05ba6eeffae4791c3b99993634afa226

No one has denied that there are some examples of false accusations here and there, just like there are examples of men committing rape here and there. However, if someone was afraid to be alone with Donborvio because he's a man and men have committed rape, I think you would cry foul, even if I linked 3 news articles about other men committing rapes.

The fact is that false accusations are extremely rare and not something that you should blanket suspect women of, any more than you should suspect every black person of being a murderer.

And if they were, I would respect their state of mind and try to keep my distance. And I know there are many actual rapes, never denied that.  I'm batting for the good people that don't want their lives ruined by malicious people. 

LOL bullsh**t. If Elizabeth Warren or Kamala Harris had done this with a male reporter because "there is an epidemic of men raping women and women like me have to protect ourselves from this," there would be a 20-page circlejerk by now about how awful liberals have gotten with their manhating, and you would be part of it.

Fair enough, there are plenty of examples of how one group gets preferential treatment over the other or vice versa.
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