Israel-Gaza war

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Like a lot of people here, they don't really consider Palestinians worthy of human rights. It's no surprise they want them to starve in a desert. Just a total albatross of an "ally" who provide nothing but headaches.

And when the hell did "other awful nations did it too" become an excuse? Last I checked, regardless if you supported the wars or not, the United States at least tried to build semi-functioning nation-states in Iraq/Afghanistan. They never starved the civilians. Only nations partaking in genocide go that far.

Find me an example of the US going out of its way to deliver aid to a country or entity it was actively at war against at the moment.

Israel's conduct in this war is standard, if not exemplary. The reason for its treatment is because its very existence and acts of self-defense are considered a casus belli by its enemies.

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Israeli settlers attack Gaza bound aid convoy at West Bank crossing.

This is pathetic.
You know what level of ***hole you have to be, to do something like this?

Pleasantly surprised that the Israeli government announced they had already made some arrests in this case.

Ben Gvir and Smotrich might be getting a little out of Bibi's control, which was thoroughly predictable.

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Netanyahu's hands get redder every time more of the hostages turn up dead. Not as red as Hamas's, at least not in this particular way, but redder.

He can't leave soon enough, but I'm not convinced that Hamas didn't just kill the remaining hostages after the first cease-fire broke down.

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The "Joe Biden is Hamas" lady now blaming us for the dead hostages. We are so hostile that just the other day the House passed a bill making military funding contingent on Israel spending, placing Israel's security above our own, yet still most of Israeli society thinks we're horrible. Why is this? How much more of a sugar daddy must we be before this country is finally thankful?

https://twitter.com/CarolineGlick/status/1791491736121843847?t=PBBUi0pDc0frnP6Et...

How many times are you going to pretend this joke of a failed politician turned pundit is worthy of a diplomatic incident with a nuclear ally?

For those who don't get it, Caroline Glick is a far-right columnist and social media figure, not an Israeli official. This would be like France expelling the US ambassador over Rush Limbaugh insulting them during the Iraq War.

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I would actually say that North America is *the* safest area in the world to be Jewish, though I do get the "safety in numbers" argument for Israel. Europe is also mostly not bad, most of the time.

The way I would put it is that the US is the safest place to be a Jew while Israel is the most secure.

We might be historically safe here, but we're also keenly aware that we're always one bad election from not being safe - not just on a national level, but on a city-wide or state-wide election level. Things can go downhill very quickly - Brandon Johnson's election in Chicago essentially turning the place into a safe zone for the most extreme pro-Palestinian protests is a mild example, while Mark Robinson potentially becoming Governor of North Carolina is a more extreme one.

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Crickets from the Western media.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1791651579939963194

The despicable tankie is lying, as he does professionally, while also minimizing the victims of the 10/7 genocide. Once again, you should be ashamed of yourself for platforming these vile individuals.

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Israel needs to immediately make clear that any country attempting to carry out these illegal warrants will be treated as if they attempted a kidnapping and hostage-taking of an Israeli official. And start sending Netanyahu around the world with a security force that can repel such an attempt.

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Crickets from the Western media.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1791651579939963194

This dude is a tankie apologist for the Chinese, Russian, Iranian, and Syrian governments who claims that the Syrian government’s use of chemical weapons is a hoax, has been denying the existence of China’s genocide against the Uyghurs, refers to Israelis as “Judeo-Nazis,” has compared Israel to ISIS, and made numerous false claims to minimize the 10/7 massacre including suggesting that it may’ve been an Israeli false-flag operation.  He’s not a remotely credible sources, but it says a lot about you that you seem to think he is.

Is anyone who condemns the genocide in Gaza suddenly a tankie apologist or antisemitist?

You even called Amnesty International antisemitist... Or Jeremy Corbyn or Rashida Tlaib.

1) What’s happening in Gaza is objectively not a genocide.  Words have meaning.  This is simply a statement of fact. 

2) I have called them anti-Semitic and I stand by that. 

That post is hilarious. "You called this unambiguously antisemitic person an antisemite...but you also called these other unambiguously antisemitic people antisemites! Checkmate!"

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Israel needs to immediately make clear that any country attempting to carry out these illegal warrants will be treated as if they attempted a kidnapping and hostage-taking of an Israeli official. And start sending Netanyahu around the world with a security force that can repel such an attempt.

Any country who is a signatory to the Rome Statute would be obliged to arrest him.

Perhaps, but he is not obligated to acquiesce to their attempt.

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And the spamming resumes. Once again, yelling things is not genocide and conducting a defensive war is also not genocide.

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Israel should tell the ICC any attempt to arrest Israeli officials will be treated as a declaration of war and we should tell the ICC that we support Israel in doing that

I would say they would be better off communicating that to the countries the ICC would try to turn into their enforcement agents.

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Israel needs to immediately make clear that any country attempting to carry out these illegal warrants will be treated as if they attempted a kidnapping and hostage-taking of an Israeli official. And start sending Netanyahu around the world with a security force that can repel such an attempt.

Receiving countries can deny visas. Foreign citizens don't have a right to travel to other countries.

Such an action by the ICC I think would make Netanyahu persona non grata in most of Europe. They won't arrest him but that means to not having to arrest him and being exposed as hypocrites (a bunch of African states right now are salivating at the notion of European states being forced by law to arrest a foreign leader and choose not to), they just won't let him fly or travel there. The U.S. won't do anything to Netanyahu, but that's quite the long plane trip from Tel Aviv to New York and Netanyahu and his ministers would be even more effectively isolated internationally.

If Netanyahu flies to the U.S. and he is under ICC criminal charges and we choose to do nothing, then the U.S. can never say anything "ICC" again in any circumstance and have it be worth ten cents.

Any country who is a signatory to the Rome Statute would be obliged to arrest him.

Didn't really work in South Africa with the Sudanese leader did it?

That would be a middle ground that would likely still have severe diplomatic consequences, both with Israel and the US, but not nearly the dangerous pandora's box that would ensue if any of these countries tried to detain Netanyahu or Gallant.

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Israel needs to immediately make clear that any country attempting to carry out these illegal warrants will be treated as if they attempted a kidnapping and hostage-taking of an Israeli official. And start sending Netanyahu around the world with a security force that can repel such an attempt.

Receiving countries can deny visas. Foreign citizens don't have a right to travel to other countries.

Such an action by the ICC I think would make Netanyahu persona non grata in most of Europe. They won't arrest him but that means to not having to arrest him and being exposed as hypocrites (a bunch of African states right now are salivating at the notion of European states being forced by law to arrest a foreign leader and choose not to), they just won't let him fly or travel there. The U.S. won't do anything to Netanyahu, but that's quite the long plane trip from Tel Aviv to New York and Netanyahu and his ministers would be even more effectively isolated internationally.

If Netanyahu flies to the U.S. and he is under ICC criminal charges and we choose to do nothing, then the U.S. can never say anything "ICC" again in any circumstance and have it be worth ten cents.

The official US position is that we have no obligations to the ICC and are further under no obligations to see the treaty's success. That's been more-or-less the American position since 2002. Hell, in 2021 Blinken made a statement about the State Department's "longstanding objection to the Court’s efforts to assert jurisdiction over personnel of non-States Parties such as the United States and Israel." So I doubt anyone would consider US statements on the ICC regarding Israelis to be relevant anyway.

The ICC can go piss up a rope.  Israel should immediately make clear that any attempt to enforce this will be treated as a declaration of war.  Hopefully, the rest of the world does the right thing and uses the warrants for Gallant and Netanyahu as toilet paper.

Probably wouldn't be a good idea for Israel to declare war on a NATO state creating an even bigger international crisis, most of alliance being Rome Statute signatories.

The thing is, and I think the US would agree, if said NATO state detained a leader of a foreign country based on a warrant from a court that country doesn't recognize, THEY would be the one declaring war.

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The ICC is antisemitic. Bernie Sanders is antisemitic. Everyone is antisemitic.

Bernie Sanders should choose much better friends.

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Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

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Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

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Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Where do these delusions of grandeur about Israel's non-existent superpower status come from? If any of the indicted are stupid enough to actually go to France and get themselves arrested, Israel won't be able to do anything. The IDF hasn't been able to capture more than half of Gaza, a miniscule patch of land on their borders, in nearly 8 months. This isn't 1967. What on Earth do you think they are going to do to a European power with a functioning army, navy, air force, and nuclear weapons program?

I mean, let's be real, Israel's forces are overwhelming compared to Gaza. If they had any intention of such, there simply wouldn't be a Gaza right now. They're being hamstrung by the desire to get the hostages back alive, but Gaza/Hamas isn't actually putting up anything near a real fight against them.

And there are only two western European nations with nuclear programs, both of which are highly unlikely to actually pick this fight. One would have to be extremely stupid to try to kidnap the Prime Minister of a nuclear nation, which is why this is likely to be a cold diplomatic standoff.

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Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.

It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.

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Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.

It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.

It's not kidnapping.

It's apprehending a fugitive.

If the ICC wants to act like a gang of global George Zimmermans, well, the finding out will come quickly.

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Again, any of these countries will be informed in no uncertain terms that they are to release their Israeli captives or face massive retaliation. So it's likely that they'll simply choose not to host them.

Retaliation?

In what way?

Throwing a nuke on belgium?

Well, that seems radical! And would be counterproductive if Israeli officials are being held there!

I think Israel would be far more likely to just take them back. Potentially immediately, given the quality of security force they would likely have on hand.

That would be the violation of our integrity and would result in a direct war.

Did Spain declare war on us when we gave political asylum to Catalan separatist leader Carles Puigdemont.

Did we bomb Iran in threatening them to release European held prisoners in Iran?

This is not how you do diplomacy, but apparently warfare is the only vocabulary you are familiar with.

It is not in fact a violation of your territorial integrity to prevent you from kidnapping a foreign leader.

It's not kidnapping.

It's apprehending a fugitive.

If the ICC wants to act like a gang of global George Zimmermans, well, the finding out will come quickly.

A week ago you recommended a post in a petition where you openly supported banning users who are cheerleading on a genocidal maniac.



Than my question: what the hell do you think you are doing right now?

Endorsing the right of the state of Israel to its self-defense in the unlikely event of its Prime Minister being captured by an unauthorized court functioning as an enemy.

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And Israel has already summoned their ambassadors. A full breakdown of diplomatic relations is likely coming. We were basically already there with Spain and Ireland.

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Agree, i think Israel Government just have given up on international relations aside from the usa (And that not guaranted) and so to israel the world can cry about genocide as long and loud as it want but if the usa doesn't complain Israel won't stop.

Given that these are three left-wing countries that have already had relations breaking down with them for a while, I think it's similar to Brazil - Israel is done taking insults and would rather not have relations with some minor powers.

Worth noting as well that if Palestine is a country, then it declared war on October 7th and Israel has no special obligations to it.

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I think Israel has stopped giving a f-k about the International Community other than the ones who already back them (chief of which the US, of course). Probably a wise move at this point.

And what happens when we get to the next generation of Democratic Party leadership that will inevitably become President after election 2028 or 2032 or 2036 which is considerably less pro-Israeli? Obama was hardly gung-ho Israel and Biden, Schumer et al are done in leadership before this decade ends due to aging out, and the likes of Gottheimer are never winning a presidential primary. That's the problem with putting all your eggs in one basket.

Fetterman, Torres, or Slotkin are far more likely to win a presidential primary than any Squad or Squad-adjacent candidates.

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Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

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Whether you agree with the IJC or not, this is little more than silly virtue signaling that will ultimately end up making them look impotent when Israel tells them to go piss up a rope and they’re powerless to enforce their ruling beyond a bunch of useless whining.  

It’s cute that they think they get to dictate Israel or any other country’s wartime military strategy, but unfortunately for them, we live in a world of sovereign nations rather than some one world government bureaucratic hellscape.  They have no more say in Israeli military policy than they do in American military policy nor should they.  And I say this as someone who strongly believes that Israel should withdraw from Rafah.

And if the U.N. tries to enforce any of this by force, of course the US will veto it.  Not even a close call.

Biden said that his redline is Rafah.

Is he going to use the US's seat on the UN Security Council to veto his own redline?

Yes. He is.

And even if he took leave of his senses and escalated with Israel like Obama did on his way out the door, it still wouldn't stop Israel from doing what needs to be done. Nothing will.

He would look even weaker and more pathetic.

It's embarrassing that he allows Netanyahu to disrespect him.

He makes the entire US looks weak.

"The US has the right to dictate other countries' foreign policy, up to and including existential issues"
 but leftistly.