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Ray Goldfield
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« on: February 02, 2017, 05:58:36 PM »

Yeah, Bush did the same thing.

The difference was, Obama considered Jerusalem a settlement and considered any rejection by Israel of his diktats to be a personal betrayal that demanded retribution.
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« Reply #1 on: February 02, 2017, 06:45:09 PM »

Yeah, Bush did the same thing.

The difference was, Obama considered Jerusalem a settlement and considered any rejection by Israel of his diktats to be a personal betrayal that demanded retribution.

bibi worked on a personal level against obama and even made israel into a partisan issue through visiting the republicans and snubbing the democrats.

i am always amazed that everyone all the time criticizes the US for how they treat "israel", aka the israeli government but never ever follows the same rules for the behaviour of israel's government of radicals.

One of Obama's first acts in office was to declare Israel's capital a settlement and retaliate diplomatically because Israel built houses.

Obama and Netanyahu both took direct shots to get each other out of office. Only one then escalated that feud to put the other country's continued existence in jeopardy.
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« Reply #2 on: February 02, 2017, 06:50:28 PM »

to put the other country's continued existence in jeopardy.

this is hyperbole.

in which way has obama endangered israel's existence? not nuking iran? asking for too much concessions?

Surrendered Israel to the mercies of the Jew-hating United Nations as a final act of revenge.
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« Reply #3 on: February 02, 2017, 09:39:25 PM »

For the record, Trump does want to negotiate a deal, and settlement construction will have to halt in order for there to be talks, at least temporarily. The difference is that I expect Trump will actually expect to see movement from both sides when negotiating, which will change the balance of these talks significantly.
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« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2017, 09:57:17 PM »

So the actual memo that Trump just issued is probably the most pro-settlement policy of any US President ever.
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Ray Goldfield
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« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2017, 10:31:40 PM »

For the record, Trump does want to negotiate a deal, and settlement construction will have to halt in order for there to be talks, at least temporarily. The difference is that I expect Trump will actually expect to see movement from both sides when negotiating, which will change the balance of these talks significantly.

and bill clinton and bush didn't want to see movement?



I remember when Clinton announced before the start of negotiations that he would hold the Israelis responsible if talks failed.

When only one side is willing to move, it's tempting to ask them to move twice as much.
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« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2017, 05:57:15 PM »

So to make up for returning stolen Palestinian land, new settlements had to be built? Stealing more Arab land
Can't steal what's yours. And it's all ours.

How disgusting.

That land does belong to Israel , becuase the fact is Palestine lost all their wars against Israel they started, and as a consequence lost some of the land which used to be theirs.

Palestine didn't start any wars. That was other Arab countries, such as Egypt, Syria, and Jordan.

This is true. That's because there never was a Palestine. The land was colonial holdings for over 2000 years, and went from British hands to Egyptian and Jordanian hands during the ensuing wars.

As such, any state of Palestine, should it be created, would be a new entity.
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« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2017, 05:58:29 PM »

Obama and the Palestinians effectively killed the two-state solution.

obama? that's just absurd.

human nature and an effed up map killed it.

Obama declared eastern Jerusalem to be a settlement and demanded that Israel essentially freeze it as a precondition to even start negotiating about what else would be surrendered.

At that point, Israel has no motivation to come to the table, because no deal can be reached. The only move at that point is to double down and prepare for war.
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