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Question: American citizens: where do you stand on Israel?
#1
1st Choice: 2 states... 2nd Choice: Israel is Democractic... 3rd Choice: Israel is Jewish
 
#2
1st Choice: 2 states... 2nd Choice: Israel is Jewish... 3rd Choice: Israel is Democratic
 
#3
1st Choice: Israel is Democratic... 2nd Choice: 2 states... 3rd Choice: Israel is Jewish
 
#4
1st Choice: Israel is Democratic... 2nd Choice: Israel is Jewish.. 3rd Choice: 2 states
 
#5
1st Choice: Israel is Jewish... 2nd Choice: Israel is Democratic.. 3rd Choice: 2 states
 
#6
1st Choice: Israel is Jewish... 2nd Choice: 2 states.. 3rd Choice: Israel is Democratic
 
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
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« on: December 28, 2016, 09:26:01 PM »

Write in: 3 state solution.

There is not way that Israel will tolerate a truly independent, terrotiorally contiguous Palestine. Instead of bantustans, have Jordan annex the Arab populates areas, while Israel keeps the settlements. Egypt should take back the Gaza strip.

This is the only workable situation.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,030


« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2016, 09:28:13 PM »

Write in: 3 state solution.

There is not way that Israel will tolerate a truly independent, terrotiorally contiguous Palestine. Instead of bantustans, have Jordan annex the Arab populates areas, while Israel keeps the settlements. Egypt should take back the Gaza strip.

Whoa this is the first time I've ever seen anybody else articulate my own position.

Can someone with a better understanding of the issue describe why this isn't spoken of as an option more often?

Because it's unfortunately not an option as long as the Hashemite King keeps an iron grip on Jordan and its Palestinian majority.

However, that country is a demographic time bomb and he's going to get Arab Spring'd sooner or later. If what emerges is a rational Palestinian-led state, the time is right to fuse that state with parts of the West Bank.

Gaza is trickier just because it's such a nightmare pit under Hamas, and I don't think Egypt wants the hassle.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,030


« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2016, 09:42:18 PM »

Write in: 3 state solution.

There is not way that Israel will tolerate a truly independent, terrotiorally contiguous Palestine. Instead of bantustans, have Jordan annex the Arab populates areas, while Israel keeps the settlements. Egypt should take back the Gaza strip.

Whoa this is the first time I've ever seen anybody else articulate my own position.

Can someone with a better understanding of the issue describe why this isn't spoken of as an option more often?

Because it's unfortunately not an option as long as the Hashemite King keeps an iron grip on Jordan and its Palestinian majority.

However, that country is a demographic time bomb and he's going to get Arab Spring'd sooner or later. If what emerges is a rational Palestinian-led state, the time is right to fuse that state with parts of the West Bank.

Gaza is trickier just because it's such a nightmare pit under Hamas, and I don't think Egypt wants the hassle.



I'm afraid I'm not super familiar with the divide between the Palestinians in Jordan and the Hashemites, but I really don't see another way. A one state solution would be a disaster for both parties

Essentially, they're an Arabian royal family that was favored by the British and was given control of Transjordan when it became an independent country. They're a minority there, and the majority of the country is Palestinian, but they've run the country as a Monarchy since, brutally repressing Palestinian uprisings. It's not very well-known, but Arafat attempted a coup there before moving on to Israel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_September

TLDR, British colonialism is really the cause of most of the problems in the Middle East, but I agree with everything you said about this being the only logical solution.
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Stand With Israel. Crush Hamas
Ray Goldfield
Junior Chimp
*****
Posts: 8,030


« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2017, 02:25:10 PM »

Best option: 2 state solution, with boundary drawn as it was originally (before any of the Palestinian land was wrongfully seized) and reparations paid to the new Palestine by Israel for all past oppression.

So basically, reset the clock to the offered status quo before the multiple wars of extermination were launched by the Arab states against the Jewish people.

The irony is, this was essentially offered at Camp David (sans the reparitions, which would never happen). The Palestinians rejected it because of no "right of return". They want Tel Aviv too, de facto if not de jure.
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