Do you care that Obama hasn't used the phrase 'radical islam' yet?

[ingemann]

No, because many conservatives clearly just use that term as an excuse to hate Muslims.

b-b-b-but Timothy McVeigh wasn't an advocate for Radical christianism??

He wasn't. He wasn't even a Christian.

He seems to have been a Christian to a bit less of the extent Mateen was a Muslim. ISIS isn't true Islam, but McVeigh didn't seem to be devout Christian either and doubted the tenants of Catholicism more. Mateen was misguided, still technically a Muslim but seriously in the need of spiritual guidance. I could be overanalyzing here.
But my point stands. It is being better articulated by others here.

Stolen from a place on the interwebs which stole it from Monty Python.

“We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”

“No you didn’t.”

“Wait, what? Yes we did…”

“No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”

“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”

“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”

“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”

“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”

“What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”

“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”

“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”

“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”

“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”
h

[ingemann]

No, because many conservatives clearly just use that term as an excuse to hate Muslims.

b-b-b-but Timothy McVeigh wasn't an advocate for Radical christianism??

He wasn't. He wasn't even a Christian.

He seems to have been a Christian to a bit less of the extent Mateen was a Muslim. ISIS isn't true Islam, but McVeigh didn't seem to be devout Christian either and doubted the tenants of Catholicism more. Mateen was misguided, still technically a Muslim but seriously in the need of spiritual guidance. I could be overanalyzing here.
But my point stands. It is being better articulated by others here.

Stolen from a place on the interwebs which stole it from Monty Python.

“We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”

“No you didn’t.”

“Wait, what? Yes we did…”

“No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”

“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”

“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”

“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”

“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”

“What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”

“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”

“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”

“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”

“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”
h

My opinion on the issue is that Baghdadi and his cronies aren't Muslim, but the people he has tricked are Muslims, just very misguided. Baghdadi knows the truth but continues to do wrong. Mateen didn't know the truth. Baghdadi is much worse as a result.

You're welcome to have that opinion, of course it's a complete worthless opinion in my opinion, but you're welcome to have it. It's not us who define who are Muslims and who aren't. That's a job left to Muslims themselves, and it's clear that the  people he "tricks" define him as Muslim and as such it's not my job as non-Muslim to decide his degree of "Muslim-ness" and unless you happen to be Muslim I'm going to ignore your attempt to define these people "Muslim-ness" too.

[ingemann]

No, because many conservatives clearly just use that term as an excuse to hate Muslims.

b-b-b-but Timothy McVeigh wasn't an advocate for Radical christianism??

He wasn't. He wasn't even a Christian.

He seems to have been a Christian to a bit less of the extent Mateen was a Muslim. ISIS isn't true Islam, but McVeigh didn't seem to be devout Christian either and doubted the tenants of Catholicism more. Mateen was misguided, still technically a Muslim but seriously in the need of spiritual guidance. I could be overanalyzing here.
But my point stands. It is being better articulated by others here.

Stolen from a place on the interwebs which stole it from Monty Python.

“We did this because our holy texts exhort us to to do it.”

“No you didn’t.”

“Wait, what? Yes we did…”

“No, this has nothing to do with religion. You guys are just using religion as a front for social and geopolitical reasons.”

“WHAT!? Did you even read our official statement? We give explicit Quranic justification. This is jihad, a holy crusade against pagans, blasphemers, and disbelievers.”

“No, this is definitely not a Muslim thing. You guys are not true Muslims, and you defame a great religion by saying so.”

“Huh!? Who are you to tell us we’re not true Muslims!? Islam is literally at the core of everything we do, and we have implemented the truest most literal and honest interpretation of its founding texts. It is our very reason for being.”

“Nope. We created you. We installed a social and economic system that alienates and disenfranchises you, and that’s why you did this. We’re sorry.”

“What? Why are you apologizing? We just slaughtered you mercilessly in the streets. We targeted unwitting civilians – disenfranchisement doesn’t even enter into it!”

“Listen, it’s our fault. We don’t blame you for feeling unwelcome and lashing out.”

“Seriously, stop taking credit for this! We worked really hard to pull this off, and we’re not going to let you take it away from us.”

“No, we nourished your extremism. We accept full blame.”

“OMG, how many people do we have to kill around here to finally get our message across?”
h

My opinion on the issue is that Baghdadi and his cronies aren't Muslim, but the people he has tricked are Muslims, just very misguided. Baghdadi knows the truth but continues to do wrong. Mateen didn't know the truth. Baghdadi is much worse as a result.

You're welcome to have that opinion, of course it's a complete worthless opinion in my opinion, but you're welcome to have it. It's not us who define who are Muslims and who aren't. That's a job left to Muslims themselves, and it's clear that the  people he "tricks" define him as Muslim and as such it's not my job as non-Muslim to decide his degree of "Muslim-ness" and unless you happen to be Muslim I'm going to ignore your attempt to define these people "Muslim-ness" too.

Yeah, TimTurner is a Muslim.

That's nice, in that case I'm at least willing to hear his argument for why these people aren't Muslim and why their followers are.