Sweden stunned by third night of Stockholm rioting

[ingemann]

Not the sort of thing I expected to happen in Sweden of all places.

Not so strange. Large ghetto population of poorly integrated ethnic minorities living in parallel communities.

Yeah, but I'd expect Malmo and other areas would go up first...

Why, yes Malmö have its ugly side (like the sniper), but it's a smaller city and while it have Rosengård, Stockholm have several ghetthos the same size or bigger.

[ingemann]

Based off of my understanding of Sweden's response to migration, there was no "gross exaggeration" in my post. Immigrants in Sweden are sequestered into housing developments constructed when the Million Programme was implemented. In many of these suburban neighborhoods, the unemployment rate approaches fifty percent. This leads to welfare dependence, crime and a increasingly uniform perception of immigrants as an irreconcilable class in Swedish society. This stereotype, reflected by reduced inter-marriage rates, contributes to the trap faced by Swedish migrants as reports of discrimination in hiring decisions increase year after year. As stereotypes become bolstered and the expectation of immigrants is criminality and laziness, societal tension increases dramatically leading increased attacks on immigrants. This is a positive feedback loop that has spiraled out of control. Even if Sweden is not an apartheid state, its response to migration has produced a situation in resembling one. And yes, Sweden is largely at fault for these riots because its policies have prevent integration as emigrants are effectively barred from the labor market.

Of course riots aren't the answer but unemployment, policy brutality and diminished expectations that place immigrants as an out-group in Sweden all contribute to an atmosphere where I can't imagine other mass action as feasible. Perhaps I am uneducated but it appears that there are numerous barriers that prevent immigrants in Sweden from integrating and so long as these barriers exist, current policy is unsustainable.

What a bunch of crap. Yes Sweden have a failed integration policy, but it's not a result of the Swedes being hard on the poor immigrant, it's because the state are afraid of being harsh on them. When you don't set up demand, keep using only carrot and doesn't active spread emigrants out in a welfare state, you end up with these enclaves.

As for Swedes not hiring them, who in their right mind would hire them, they are below unskilled workers in usefulness, many don't speak Swedish, more only rudimentary Swedish, many are analphabets more just functional analphabets, they don't know the Swedish social mores and significant part of them have a criminal background. Sounds like real good workers.

As for abusive cops, it's interesting that in this time of cameras on every mobilephone, none of the abuses by the police we have been told have happen under the riots have been filmed. you would think that if the cops began to beat women and children someone would film it.

I can't help find it hilarious, that the Swedish state in their attempt to be as inclusive, cultural relativist and tolerant as possible end up being called racist.

[ingemann]

Sorry I have not answered earlier.

I never called the Swedish state racist,

Calling Sweden a apartheit state may technical not be calling Sweden racist, but I doubt anyone who read the comment didn't tanslate it into precisely that

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Not really, any racist sentiment are a counter-reaction on the immigrants counter-reaction over the Swedish policies.

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Interesting perspective, a naive but interesting.

 

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That's sweet, and a bit hilarious. I don't really have a problem with multiculteralism, it's bunch policy tools as much as every other policy tools. Here the Swedes have chosen really wrong in how to use them, they have decided the best way to use it, is by only adopting the carrot method and forgetting the stick. I on the other hand think that carrots are really nice, but sometimes a big stick work a whole lot better.

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I love you Americans binary understanding of politics, it's so sweet and naive, either you have to be a gullible cultural-relativist or you have to be a neo-Nazi. There's a lot room between those two points. In fact I support immigration, but I support immigration policies which are beneficial to both natives and immigrants, and in the Swedish case I honestly don't see them as beneficial for either. I also support countries taking refugees in, but no more than the countries can deal with.

[ingemann]

Yeah, if you can't "integrate" into the society that the Nordic Countries have created, there no where on the planet you can "integrate" into. I'm not going all apesh**t like the Sweden Democrats and advocate mass deportations, but these people are desecrating a beautiful  society and Sweden would be immensely better off if they weren't in their country.

The Swedish reaction have been "we have done nothing and we are out of idea", they haven't even diagnosed the problem; most still blame "inherent racism in the Swedish system", well that exist, but it have nothing to do with the problem. The problem are that they have placed unskilled and unemployed immigrant in social housings. This in itself are not the world's biggest problem, but when we mix it with areas mostly made up of these social housing, and a state which is afraid of setting up demands, we get parallel societies of people who have little respect for the general society. This worsen even more when the state adopt the policy view that "diversity is positive", while diversity can be good thing, it's really not a good thing, when diversity just mean "we have a bunch of unskilled people, who know next to nothing about Swedish society and barely speak Swedish, and we work to keep it that way".
Of course when the Swedish liberal right come along and embrace all this stupidity, but at the same time begin to cut the unemployment benefits.

I don't blame the immigrants, it's not their fault that the Swedish governments in misunderstood tolerance have behaved like idiots. Yes the needed policy changes will hurt a lot of immigrants, but change hurt and Swedes both native and New Swedes need change.