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Question: If W was allowed to run again, who would you choose between W and Perry?
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The_Texas_Libertarian
TXMichael
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« on: August 24, 2011, 12:39:13 PM »

Either one I think Obama could take both on and win.
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TXMichael
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« Reply #1 on: August 25, 2011, 12:41:58 PM »
« Edited: August 25, 2011, 04:01:00 PM by TXMichael »

I love how Dems always think the latest Republican is somehow the worst.

When Nixon and Ford were president, they said Eisenhower was better.

When Reagan and Bush 41 were president they said Nixon and Ford were better.

When Bush 43 was president they said Reagan and Bush 41 were better.

Now they're going to think Bush 43 is better than Perry? Really?

Eisenhower was one of the best presidents of the 20th century.  I'm a liberal and I openly say that.  Eisenhower was a better president than George W Bush, Ronald Reagan or George HW Bush.

As a Texan, yes Rick Perry is likely to be a worse President than Bush.  I also think George W Bush was better than Reagan.  Reagan's theory of economics has been a disaster that is so deeply ingrained in conservative philosophy it will take a generation to undo the damage he did

That does not mean George W Bush was a decent president, he was a failure by any measure.
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« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2011, 12:57:47 PM »
« Edited: August 26, 2011, 01:07:47 PM by TXMichael »

Absolutely. Nothing remotely leftwing about TR.
(Oh, and "of" should be "or".)
Nixon is, of course, a special case.


He was big with the conversation movement.  National parks, national forests, etc I'm sure that idea would be derided as fascist/socialist/authoritarian/totalitarian/communist/etc by the modern day conservative movement in the Republican party.  Although Eisenhower did defend the 91% tax rate for the top rate.

Either way, both Eisenhower and Roosevelt were leaders.
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The_Texas_Libertarian
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« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2011, 02:49:54 PM »

You're pulling my leg right? That makes him more left wing than massive government regulation?

What in the world do you mean by "the greatest era of equality the world has ever seen?" I believe there are a great many pockets of society that will disagree on that one.

It's not as if Eisenhower was a dove either. Look at some of the coups of the decade and the beginnings of Vietnam.

The biggest thing Eisenhower had going for him was that it was a period of relative calm, compared to the decade prior and after.

I'm saying this all as a fan of the Eisenhower presidency too.

I don't think his is pulling your leg

Taxes are everything to the modern day Republican party.  Everything.  If the conservatives had to choose between raising taxes on America by one cent or see Washington D.C. crumble to the ground they would chose the later.

At the most recent Republican debate every single Republican said they would reject a debt reducing plan which would cut spending 10 dollars to 1 dollar in tax increases.
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« Reply #4 on: August 27, 2011, 08:05:59 PM »


Obviously Eisenhower falls out of line with the modern day Republican party.  No doubt the GOP today would unilaterally reject him as being a communist/totalitarian/socialist/fascist/dictator/authoritarian/etc

He is historically a Republican.  It just shows how conservative the GOP has become.
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« Reply #5 on: August 28, 2011, 05:09:42 PM »


Massive spending?

The 50s was pre-Medicare.

So there can't be massive spending without medicare? 

The United States was spending more and more on military costs during Eisenhower.  So much money was flowing into the defense industry and it became so invasive that during his farewell address Eisenhower addressed the military industrial complex. 

I have a feeling that even if medicare was completely abolished the conservatives would still complain about big government and massive spending.
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