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Question: for Christians: when does the individual 'Fall into sin'?
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as part of the parents' sex act.  at conception
 
#2
at birth
 
#3
sometime after birth but in early childhood, after gaining elementary awareness of language, behaviors such as deception, anger, revenge, et
 
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sometime after early childhood
 
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other (explain)
 
#6
not a Christian
 
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tmcusa2
Junior Chimp
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« on: February 16, 2015, 05:31:28 PM »
« edited: February 16, 2015, 05:32:59 PM by Quadist »

Anyone who supports war for any reason is committing the worst SIN humans are capable of. What could be worse than murder or intentional killing which are really the same thing?

Why is it ok to break the commandment "Do not kill"? Why do so many Christians believe in only nine commandments, arrogantly omitting the most important one?

This kind of ignorance is an abomination.
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tmcusa2
Junior Chimp
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« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2015, 09:33:32 AM »

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.
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tmcusa2
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,253
Uruguay


« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2015, 02:53:58 PM »

the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.

Um...No. By your standards then deaths caused in earthquakes and hurricains are murders.


How can they be classified as "intentional"?
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tmcusa2
Junior Chimp
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Posts: 8,253
Uruguay


« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2015, 11:45:08 AM »


the commandment is not to murder. Murder and kill are not synonyms.

There is no difference between the two. Either way the victim is dead. Both
involve intentional killing. Both are really the same. There is a difference
between unintentional killing and intentional killing. War involves intentional
killing. The genocide of millions of Jews by the Nazis was "legal". So if you're
going to split hairs between "legal" and "illegal" killing, that is the same
as saying that the killing of millions of Jews was not a sin because based
on the law it couldn't really be called murder.

Um...No. By your standards then deaths caused in earthquakes and hurricains are murders.


How can they be classified as "intentional"?

If either way the victim is dead, then those deaths are murders, because there's no difference between kill and murder. At least that's how I read your post.

Even leaving aside nature, if someone dies in a car crash, is the other driver a murderer?

As for war, wars are killing, not murder, unless the victim is on the same side as the perpetrator.

I said "intentional" killing. The point is that "Just War" is an oxymoron.
If it wrong to kill people, there are no exceptions. As for car accidents. The point is that they are accidents, which means that they are not intentional. I do not call myself a "Christian", but I would point out that Jesus never killed anyone. He was a pacifist, which is a good thing.
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