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« on: February 04, 2024, 09:10:26 PM »

Months ago, polls showed that if Trump was convicted, huge swaths would change their vote and he would lose in a landslide.
Now in the NBC poll, if Trump is convicted the election would only be Biden +2, which could be a Trump electoral college win.

As I've been saying for months, the more Trump's conviction is talked about and doesn't seem far-fetched, the less it will matter. Just like how originally polls showed that if Trump was indicted he would lose tons of support but by the time he was indicted, everyone already expected it.
This is a trend that will continue. As we get further into thr year, the potential of Trump being convicted will affect voters choices less and less. Not to mention that even asking the question about it in a poll is a leading question so the actual results would probably be even less different.

Alternate take: virtually everyone who was already willing to vote for a disgusting, lying, fraudulent, rapist, traitor were lying when they said that a conviction would actually matter to them. (Maybe they were lying to themselves, too, or maybe just the pollsters.)
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2024, 03:03:07 PM »

I feel like Democrats underestimated how much the how emails issue would effect Clinton. It was really stupid, but the whole idea of wrongdoing that kept looming proved to be enough to alter the election. Voters do care and it's reflected by the fact that Trump is not actually gaining support but retaining his base. This is not and never has been a persuasion election, it's a turnout election which is why the Trump campaign is so hell bent on depressing Democratic turnout by saying "it's over" months out.


It didn't.

The 1st time Trump was beating Hillary in the polls was Oct. 2015.

The public had already decided a year in advance, and the polls just yo-yo'ed due to non-responce bias during various media storms.

Big rewrite history here. To pretend that the emails scandal didn't effect Clinton is just nonsense.

It didn't, the first signs of trouble for Hillary came in March 2015, predating Trump:

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/31/politics/clinton-slips-battleground-states-poll/index.html

Hillary started losing the moment Obama's foreign policy crashed, people blamed Hillary as she was Secretary of State.

Wasn't John Kerry Secretary of State at that point?

People didn't blame Kerry for the Arab Spring , they thought he took over to clean up Hillary's mess.

Everything that went wrong after 2012 was blamed on Hillary, regardless if she was at fault.

That's something I've always wondered about. My recollection is that Hillary's term as Secretary of State didn't have any major disasters during it, but the wheels pretty much came off US foreign policy once she left. Was it that she was adroitly keeping a lot of plates in the air and that the Obama+Kerry team weren't able to manage foreign relations as well, or is it that she set a lot of fires and and then bailed before they went out of control?
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