NYT- President Biden considering sending thousands of troops to Eastern Europe and Baltics

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Si vis pacem, para bellum.

Appeasement doesn't work.

Abandoning our allies in NATO to be threatened by Putin is wrong.

I don't want to see a war with Russia. I think the best way to make sure that does not happen in a strong military presence in NATO's eastern members before Russia threatens them (any more).

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Dems deserve to lose if they're going to do this. At least Republicans are honest about not giving a sh**t about their own country.

So we should abandon a democratic country (with strategic value and who wants to be our ally) to its fate?

This situation is not an Iraq War 2.0. And everyone should realize this.

This is a serious serious Great Power Struggle on the level of 1930's Europe. We have Russia who is a declining power, by all measures, who wants to have it's last go around the sun. We have almost all of Europe ( with the exception of Germany ? ), jumping in on this. Estonia, Lituhania, hell even freaking JAPAN. Denmark has sent fighter jets to Eastern Europe. Spain.

Literally all of Europe is freaking out. This is not Iraq 2.0. Why do we think it is ?

I suspect, though I have no way to prove, that similar propaganda operations to those which helped saddle us with Donald Trump and drive Republicans to madness are still manipulating the American zeitgeist in ways that are broadly favorable to our enemies. (And they are not our enemies because w wish to destroy them, but because they wish our destruction.)

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Dems deserve to lose if they're going to do this. At least Republicans are honest about not giving a sh**t about their own country.

So we should abandon a democratic country (with strategic value and who wants to be our ally) to its fate?

The last time I checked, Biden is the President of the United States, not Ukraine, and Ukraine is not US territory.

Why are doomers in this thread worried about sending troops to Lithuania? Would they be okay abandoning a NATO ally to the Russkies, or did they not read the article and they instead think we’re deploying troops to Ukraine?

We should withdraw from NATO, yes. Our own country is on the verge of collapse, we're having supply shortages, on the verge of food shortages, and our healthcare system is a mess.

These are problems of implementation, not resources. We have the wealth, both human and material, to be among the best nations in the world. Our domestic failures are not caused by our commitments to NATO, but my our own mistakes and failings. Compounding those mistakes by abandoning our friends and our pledges will not fix anything.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

Dems deserve to lose if they're going to do this. At least Republicans are honest about not giving a sh**t about their own country.

So we should abandon a democratic country (with strategic value and who wants to be our ally) to its fate?

The last time I checked, Biden is the President of the United States, not Ukraine, and Ukraine is not US territory.

Why are doomers in this thread worried about sending troops to Lithuania? Would they be okay abandoning a NATO ally to the Russkies, or did they not read the article and they instead think we’re deploying troops to Ukraine?

We should withdraw from NATO, yes. Our own country is on the verge of collapse, we're having supply shortages, on the verge of food shortages, and our healthcare system is a mess.

These are problems of implementation, not resources. We have the wealth, both human and material, to be among the best nations in the world. Our domestic failures are not caused by our commitments to NATO, but my our own mistakes and failings. Compounding those mistakes by abandoning our friends and our pledges will not fix anything.

Committing troops to yet another war will lead to more Americans maimed and killed and more laundering of tax dollars to defense contractors, and further distract government from the problems at home.

But I guess abandoning the American people is something I should've come to expect from Democrats by now after the disgrace that is Obamacare.

What are you talking about? Biden is suggesting sending more forces to NATO members in Eastern Europe. This isn't sending them into a war, it's hoping to deter a wider one.

[Absentee Voting Ghost of Ruin]

There is no scenario where a US-Russia ground war does not escalate into nuclear war. Ditto for China. Nuclear war will lead to an end to almost all life, including human life, on Earth.

This is no longer about useless war or endless war; this is about an existential war that, if pursued, would kill everyone with no winners.

Are you really willing to risk life on Earth over Ukraine or Taiwan? Do you think most Americans who voted for Biden could even find Ukraine or Taiwan on a map?

No one is talking about doing this. Where is this insane take coming from? Is there that much Russian propaganda around, or are people just not paying any attention whatsoever?

The suggestion that's been made is increasing the military presence in NATO members that are nearest to Russia. That's happening because Russia is building up large number of soldiers and equipment in Belarus, which borders NATO members Poland and Lithuania. And NATO does not have permanent large standing armies in Eastern Europe, because it has kept its agreement with Russia to not do so.

This isn't a provocation, where NATO is going looking for a fight. It's seeing a man dressed like a burglar in the neighborhood, and making sure doors and windows are locked and the alarm is working so that you don't end up having to confront the apparent robber inside with a gun.

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https://twitter.com/Noahpinion/status/1485564510861594624

Clearly not someone familiar with the Cuban missile crisis.

Comparing arming Ukraine against an unprovoked invasion to the Soviets sticking nukes in Ukraine is in no way comparable.

This seems like an appropriate time to remind everyone that Russia is a signatory to the Budapest Memorandum, guaranteeing Ukraine's territorial integrity and providing security assurances against the use of force or threats of force against Ukraine, in return for Ukraine joining the the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Russia has, of course, breached the accord an is acting in violation of it.

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https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/1486012859897331715

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https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1486732233830326291

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https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1486732233830326291

LOL, Calling him Putinist is as brain-dead as calling him Khomeinist.

He has been consistently anti-war/anti-interventionist, regardless who is in the WH, which is great.

He was just fine with wars started by a Republican president. And that was even before he was on Fox News!

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/20/cf.opinion.antiwar.hollywood/

CARLSON: The L.A. Times ... says that the United States government has credible information that Saddam Hussein has dispatched agents around the world to commit terrorist attacks against this country if we go to war. Isn't that information reason enough? Here's a terrorist setting out to kill Americans. What more do we need to know?

CARLSON: ... moreover we know right from the lips of the Secretary of State Colin Powell that Saddam Hussein trained members of al Qaeda in chemical and biological weapons. We know he tried to assassinate a United States president. I can go on and on. We know he was behind the assassination of an American diplomat in Jordan last year.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/20/cf.opinion.antiwar.hollywood/

CARLSON: Now Janeane, you often hear opponents of a war against Iraq, particularly opponents who live in Los Angeles, say something along the lines of, "What has Iraq done to us?"

And I guess, just a very quick, off the top of the head list is: attempted to assassinate an American president, allowed terrorists harbored in Iraq to kill an American diplomat just late last year in Jordan, apparently signed an agreement with al Qaeda, trained al Qaeda members in the use of chemical and perhaps biological weapons.

I mean, what other evidence do we need?

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https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1486732233830326291

He has been consistently anti-war/anti-interventionist, regardless who is in the WH, which is great.

He was for the war in Iraq before he was against it.

He was against it because his racism won out over his imperialism.


Unearthed audio shows Tucker Carlson using white nationalist rhetoric and making racist remarks

Between 2006 and 2011, Fox News host Tucker Carlson spent approximately an hour a week calling in to the Bubba the Love Sponge Show, a popular shock jock radio program where he spoke with the hosts about a variety of cultural and political topics in often-vulgar terms. In addition to making many misogynistic remarks and sexual comments about underage girls, Carlson, who was hired by Fox in 2009, also repeatedly made racist remarks.

TUCKER CARLSON: I totally disagree. If I didn't like Canada, I wouldn’t consider it worth invading. I mean, Iraq is a crappy place filled with a bunch of, you know, semiliterate primitive monkeys -- that’s why it wasn't worth invading.

That headline really undersells it.  Anyone defending Carlson, ever, is just damning themselves (as grossly ignorant, at best).