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« on: February 10, 2018, 06:03:09 PM »

This is an attempt to intellectualize reactionary politics with no underlying philosophy other than “lol owning the libs”

I think it's more that the conservative movement is starting to realize that they've shackled themselves to an idiot bound for failure, and are desperate to try and avoid being dragged down with him when he eventually crashes and burns. They're too late, of course. The Trumpstink they've spent the last two years wallowing in will stick to them for a generation, by which time American 'conservatives' will be rotting with the other political garbage in history's landfill. (Just hopefully not with modern civilization alongside it.)
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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2018, 08:56:34 AM »

Trump is a self-loving right-wing populist and protectionist with an authoritarian streak. Not a conservative. Reagan and Dubya were conservatives, Trump is not.

Everyone need to stop pretending that 'conservative' has ever meant something more than bigoted, authoritarian, theocratic, pro-ignorance supporters of vampire capitalism - exactly the agenda Trump supports. Claims otherwise are just spin from conservative rats who think the S.S. Trump is bound for the bottom sooner rather than later.

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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2018, 10:22:28 AM »

Look, at the moment neither party respects everyone, although the Democrats are closer. The Republican party has those flaws which HagridOfTheDeep pointed out, and he is right on that. The Democratic party--or in any case, the coastal elements of it-- disrespects the white working class, especially coal miners, as Fuzzy pointed out. The common fault of both is that they base politics on identity, rather than values. In reality, both are the same. And when anyone challenges that, or calls for a higher politics, they are immediately shot down with cynicism. The result is a race to the bottom in social and political mores.

Ten years ago, I could see someone say "both are the same" about our political parties and I would generally agree, even though I saw some particularly troubling signs on the Republican side even then. Now, seeing that claim threatens to fill me with incandescent rage - at the willful ignorance and stupidity, if not open malevolence, required to make it.

No, the Democrats are not a particularly great or even good party by American historical standards. Focusing on virtue signaling rather than real interests, poor organziation, an entrenched establishment within the party supporting their own interests and those of the wealthy and poweful to whom they eagerly insist on selling themselves,  and on and on. The list of Democratic party flaws is large.

But to claims that those flaws are equal to the Republicans' consistent choice, over thirty years, to champion ignorance, to destroy their own capacity for rational thought, to embrace a series of ever-thinner veils over racism and misogyny and xenophobia, to promote a vile shell of a religion, all culminating in a government with the intellect and moral authority of a rabid rat that is not merely failing, but actively destroying our nation all while gleefully following the petulant ravings of an immature aspiring tyrant, that is the act of either a despicable villain or a vile fool.
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« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 04:17:00 AM »

It has been pretty obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of political philosophy and history that Trump and his base aren't Conservative. They aren't trying to conserve anything; they're past that point because they no longer believe the institutions are in their hands. Since the institutions and positions of power they once held no longer belong to them, they're determined to undermine, overthrow, or "restore" them to their previous state - under the dominance of White Christian heterosexual men.

Trump is more or less using this real reactionary element in American society for his personal benefit.

Um, this is all what "conservative" means in America today. The "True Conservatives" you talk about don't exist in the United States today, no more than "True Communists" exist in 21st Century China. If conservatives didn't wants to be marinated in Trumpstink, then they ought not have spent decades encouraging exactly what he supports. Trump is discrediting the name of conservatism for a generation (if not more), and that is absolutely something conservatives have earned, fair and square.
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