New Charlottesville 'white civil rights rally' in DC (Unite the Right 2)

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Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things.  

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

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Punching nazis is morally right. It's nowhere near the same as believing in ethnic cleansing and genocide and white only ethnostates. Nazis are evil and no amount of "you can't punch people who disagree with you uwu". Naziism wants Jews, gays, lesbians, transgender people, muslims, black people, and many more to be either dead, deported, segregated, and in second class positions in society. If you think that that's a simple "disagreement" you are foolish and very clearly privileged if you think the difference between you and nazis is a disagreement and not a matter of ethnic cleansing and genocide. Obviously of you're a white straight "moderate" man you won't really be threatened by neo nazis.

Punch 'em. They're murderers and genocidaires.

What's your max deadlift, bro?

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Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things. 

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

And the Nazis are going to arguably the most Democratic city in the country aren't there to escalate things?

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

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Here's to hoping both the Nazis and the people out there counter protesting can get their act together and not escalate things. 

The counterprotestors are there specifically to escalate things.

This cannot be overemphasized.

And the Nazis are going to arguably the most Democratic city in the country aren't there to escalate things?

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

I see my point went straight over your head.

They're not there for some sort of "significance". They're there to cause trouble. Nothing more.

Your point was literally "no, you!". Don't worry about your points going over my head.

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I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

That's why they have also been going to the symbolically significant cities of Charlottesville and Berkeley, right? The history suggests they want trouble.

Charlottesville was ostensibly chosen for attempting to tear down a Confederate monument. It's also the home of the University of Virginia, founded by Thomas Jefferson, known proponent of free speech. Similarly, the University of California at Berkeley is closely associated with the modern free speech movement. I would say that it's unfortunate to see leftists turn their back on that tradition, but I know that it's never really been about freedom to those people.

I know that leftists want to abolish place and history, but even you should know that ceremonies held in Washington, D.C. take on a significance beside that of being held in a city.

Are you really that daft? Do you know anything about Confederate monuments?

What do you expect me to say? Do I know that most Confederate monuments were actually built in the 1910s and 1920s? Yes, I do. What's the rest of your point?

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As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

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As you have indicated, the vast majority of Confederate monuments were erected in the 1910's & 20's when Southern states were enacting Jim Crow laws.
There was also a significant, yet smaller spike in the 1950's & 60's during the Civil Rights movement.

See this graphic on this website (link below), showing the numbers and distribution of monuments over time. The article also points out that:
The chart illustrates upticks in the construction of Confederate monuments on courthouse grounds after the landmark Plessy v. Ferguson case in 1896 upheld state segregation laws. The construction of monuments outside of schools jumped after the 1954 Brown vs. Board of Education ruling, in which the Supreme Court deemed state laws segregating public schools to be unconstitutional.

So you can drop your "leftists want to abolish place and history" shtick.
All the evidence above shows that Southerners weren't really concerned about "history" when erecting these monuments. But instead, it was about using them as symbols of hate and intimidation.

http://theweek.com/speedreads/718507/striking-graphic-reveals-construction-confederate-monuments-peaked-during-jim-crow-civil-rights-eras

Southern states started enacting Jim Crow laws in the late 19th century, though. Plus, as your graph indicates, the largest spike in public Confederate commemoration was already on the decline when the Klan was reformed in the 1910s. If anything, the strongest correlation is with the aging of Civil War veterans and the passage of the Civil War from people's living memory. Which makes perfect sense.

It "makes perfect sense" to Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists.

It makes sense to the people whose forefathers bore the brunt of the most destructive war in the history of the United States.

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It makes sense to the people whose forefathers' main purpose of fighting was to preserve the act of enslaving other human beings (for money). The fact that they (the South) "bore the brunt" of the American Civil War (versus the North) was both justified and a grace to all humanity.

The average Southerner fought because he believed his home was being invaded, not because of slavery.

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Oh wait, sorry, I didn't expect you to contradict yourself already. I assumed that you would be able to maintain consistency at least long enough to make one whole post. I'll try to avoid making that mistake in the future.

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The average Southerner fought because they were fooled to believe, by their leaders, that it was about "their home being invaded." The idiots (who in that time, were highly uneducated) fell for it hook, line and sinker
Similar to today (can you believe it, in the modern year 2016) .... the trump cultists (also uneducated morons) are on some similar fringe cause because "their (white) culture" is "being invaded."

Ah yes, the uneducated Southernor, fooled into believing that the country invading his home had intentions of invading his home

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Fort Sumter was asking for it

Agreed!

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Oh for God's sake just stop. Seriously, every one of your Confederate sucking up posts is proving the point of every other individual with Common Sense on this thread.

There is literally far too much inaccurate information, not to mention raw unadulterated stupidity, in your line of posts. I don't have time to take off of work tomorrow to answer them all, so please just go suck on a tide pod and stop posting your recycled moron fodder talking points.

But to summarize, the North won, slavery was abolished, and the UNITED S of A preserved. Score one for the good guys, no matter how many butt hurt Southerners want to rewrite history.

"But to summarize, the North won, slavery was abolished, and the UNITED S of A preserved. Score one for the good guys, no matter how many butt hurt Southerners want to rewrite history. America, love it or leave it!

"Now if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to the ol' grind. The wife (and the wife's son) aren't going to support themselves!"

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Worst. Comeback. Ever.

I accept your abject and humiliating surrender, here at this grand new Appomattox.

It’s a meme, old man. I didn’t expect you to understand.