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Question: Is sodomy sinful?
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No
 
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afleitch
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« on: December 02, 2020, 07:39:09 AM »

Take Two:

It's pleasurable (that good enough?)

To be honest, a lot of conservative interpretations of religion don't really like vaginal sex if there's a hint of deriving the slightest bit of enjoyment from it. So I don't see why this is in a different category if you're that repressed.

And if you're going to raise 'sodomy' as an issue, expect a frank and forthcoming response from those who do it as part of their deep physical love for their partner. So no policing please.
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« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2020, 01:04:31 PM »

I mean tcumsa's dirge aside, this is a ridiculous poll and flat out offensive to people to whom it forms part of their own sex life, that it even gets asked as a semi serious question. I'm admittedly in a pissy mood for other reasons today but I'm sick of these sorts of judgement polls on this board in particular.
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« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2020, 03:10:08 PM »

I mean tcumsa's dirge aside, this is a ridiculous poll and flat out offensive to people to whom it forms part of their own sex life, that it even gets asked as a semi serious question. I'm admittedly in a pissy mood for other reasons today but I'm sick of these sorts of judgement polls on this board in particular.

I mean I am not a fan of these polls either, but they are legitimate questions about existing religious beliefs? You can argue that said religious beliefs are inherently offensive but that's broader than the poll per se.

What I'm saying is that people could hold their tongue and consider the bigger picture of the implications of the discussion they are having. It boggles my mind that anal sex is in any way a religious question.
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« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2020, 04:32:29 PM »
« Edited: December 02, 2020, 04:35:54 PM by afleitch »

The reason I used "sodomy" instead of homosexuality is because I wanted to be clear that I was referring to the acts themselves rather than sexual orientations. Because the argument I often see religious people make is that it is the acts that are sinful, but merely being attracted to one sex or the other isn't. I also thought it would allow for a more historical discussion of the concept and Christian views on it, as the idea of homosexuality is much more recent but the story of Sodom and Gomorrah goes back to the Bible itself.

But all that said, yes, I was aware that the word has often been used in hateful ways but I used it anyway because I thought it would better communicate what I was trying to ask about. It was a mistake on my part and I'm sorry if anyone was hurt by it, as it was not my intention.

The issue is that there isn't really a discussion to have.

If you are a gay male, or a female with a penis in a relationship with either of these two people, 'sex' is either receipt of or giving anal, oral, or a other stimulation. All of which tend to be problematic for conservative to mainstream Christianity. All forms of sexual expression between same sex (using shorthand here) people is deemed sinful as is by extension anything that 'stirs' from kissing to cuddling. The idea that 'oh it's not the inclination it's the act' is a distinction is one of the most meaningless and nonsense statements Christianity has ever made because it makes no practical distinction and is only offered because 'muh science and muh psychology' and interacting with the human race has made outright condemnation of sexual orientation f-cking stupid.

Anyone who thinks they can do this, with a strained grin painted on their face, leads to hollowed out husks of human beings on their knees in prayer because they happened to give their partner a hug. (And yes celibacy is a thing, but commanded for the gays and optional for the straights is the same nonsense, but with an extra step.)

The entire history of Christianity as the sum of it's parts has been to effectively gaslight LGBT persons.

So talking about the 'religious view of sodomy'; of anal sex being as it is at the core of some, but not all same sex male relationships and bearing in mind that absolutely no physical expression of love is ever acceptable to some Christians no matter how much we try and show and love and lead by example, to me as a gay man, is partaking in a rhetorical exercise for no one's benefit.
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2020, 05:25:58 PM »

Being serious for a moment, the idea that having sex and finding a partner are indispensable parts of the human experience, in the absence of which one becomes a “hollowed out husk of a human being”, is not only not true, it’s an idea that contributes to its own extremely toxic culture, which causes psychological harm to gay people and straight people alike.

That's not what I was saying. The statement was bookended. It was directed at some who chose to enter a relationship because they accept their sexuality but hoping to placate the heterosexual norms of the church by remaining 'chaste' and instead end up second guessing every expression of intimacy. It was not directed at anyone who is single or any one who choses celibacy for personal reasons (rather than an expectation/obligation.)
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