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afleitch
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« on: April 01, 2020, 01:28:04 PM »

I think you have to meet where people are. I have no doubt that the same people who clutch at their pearls over the 'audacity' at them still considering themselves Christians are the first to headcount them in any census or poll of Christian numbers and strength. Nor is the 'but really though?' prompts of non theists an appropriate challenge.

People will go where they go. Americans have a weird tendency to think they are all 'middle class'; arguments or statistical bean counting isn't going to shift identities.
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« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2020, 03:08:31 AM »

Slaves in ancient Israel were more like servants than slaves as we think of them in the American context.  Also, that's part of the law that only applied to ancient Israel.  Christian countries were at the forefront of abolitionist efforts.

Leviticus states that slaves may be purchased, treated as property, their offspring treated as property and passed to your children as a 'permanent inheritance'

That is slavery.

A female slave that does not 'please' the man that bought her can be bought back again.

That is sex slavery.

It is slavery; arguing over the nuances or saying it wasn't 'as bad' doesn't detract from what it was.

On Christian countries being at the forefront of abolitionist efforts, religious and non religious people and groups within them were yes. But Christian countries (citing religious justification) were also at the forefront of retaining slavery for as long as was useful for them.
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2020, 04:24:26 AM »

Slaves in ancient Israel were more like servants than slaves as we think of them in the American context.  Also, that's part of the law that only applied to ancient Israel.  Christian countries were at the forefront of abolitionist efforts.

Leviticus states that slaves may be purchased, treated as property, their offspring treated as property and passed to your children as a 'permanent inheritance'

That is slavery.

A female slave that does not 'please' the man that bought her can be bought back again.

That is sex slavery
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It is slavery; arguing over the nuances or saying it wasn't 'as bad' doesn't detract from what it was.

On Christian countries being at the forefront of abolitionist efforts, religious and non religious people and groups within them were yes. But Christian countries (citing religious justification) were also at the forefront of retaining slavery for as long as was useful for them.

The countries that still had slavery after 1888 weren't Christian. 

Exodus 21: 7-8

'When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are.  If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again.'

Even if you want to read it as 'servant', in what way is it not sex slavery?

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The countries that still had slavery after 1888 weren't Christian. 

And? Does that excuse nations before 1888?


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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2020, 01:56:52 PM »

I am effectively 'culturally Catholic' in the sense I am from a heavily Catholic town, went to Catholic school and part of a huge Catholic family that while not active worshippers, still do big family things during Catholic feasts even arranging get togethers at certain times of the day based on when mass had traditionally finished. This is not really that uncommon in parts of Europe.

In Scotland in a census, they will often tick 'Catholic' for religion despite never going to mass, then there's the whole Irish Nationalism (now Scottish Nationalism) issue, Celtic FC. These are cultural markers. And even the most ardent secularists still have them.
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