Welfare Reform Act of 1996...

[John Dibble]

Strongly Disapprove. Implies that the poor don't work hard.

Some poor people don't work hard, and that's the problem - there was a sufficient number taking advantage of the system solely for the purpose of avoiding work. Reform probably wouldn't have happened if such people didn't exist.

[John Dibble]

Strongly Disapprove. Implies that the poor don't work hard.

Some poor people don't work hard, and that's the problem - there was a sufficient number taking advantage of the system solely for the purpose of avoiding work. Reform probably wouldn't have happened if such people didn't exist.

No, it wouldn't have happened if people like you dind't imagine that they exist.  Of course most American workers have no understanding of economics, and fail to recogize the commonality of their interests with those of the poor.  Their most pathetic intellectual failure is that they see a leisured rich as perfectly acceptable, while a miserable unemployed fellow-worker scraping by on welfare is seen as the enemy.

1. You're hardly one to be talking about other's understanding of economics and intellectual failures.

2. Such people DO exist. Don't believe me? Look in a mirror. They're like you - they leech off of others because they're lazy and they can get way with it, but they don't have rich parents. Instead they leech off the government. I have SEEN these kinds of people, I have SEEN them be offered jobs at a decent wage when they didn't have one, but they flat out refused them because they could get away with leeching off of the government through welfare instead. Unless I was hallucinating, such people are real.

[John Dibble]

I have SEEN these kinds of people, I have SEEN them be offered jobs at a decent wage...

What do you consider a 'decent wage'?

Initially $10/hr, with a high chance of a raise to $15/hr within the year if they proved themselves good workers.

[John Dibble]

I have SEEN these kinds of people, I have SEEN them be offered jobs at a decent wage...

What do you consider a 'decent wage'?

Initially $10/hr, with a high chance of a raise to $15/hr within the year if they proved themselves good workers.

Hmm.  I suppose in rural Georgia that would be more or less livable.  But why would anyone offer jobs to such people, when they could simply hire more 'mainstream' workers instead?  What was the catch?  Was it working in the chicken-slaughterhouse or something like that?

No catch - just offering honest work to someone who might be down on their luck. The job itself was helping with sprinkler installation. Physical labor to be sure, but nothing terrible, especially once you're used to it(I did it part time when I was 14 for $5/hr).

[John Dibble]

John,

There are certainly poor people who don't work hard. But there are many poor people who do work hard but can't make it. Why should the latter have to suffer because of the former?

If a sufficient number of people use the system in a corrupt manner, then you have to reform the system so they are unable to do so. It's pretty much the same reason I don't give money to homeless people anymore - too many people are just trying to get a free ride by taking advantage.

[John Dibble]

John,

There are certainly poor people who don't work hard. But there are many poor people who do work hard but can't make it. Why should the latter have to suffer because of the former?

If a sufficient number of people use the system in a corrupt manner, then you have to reform the system so they are unable to do so. It's pretty much the same reason I don't give money to homeless people anymore - too many people are just trying to get a free ride by taking advantage.

The people who are recieving leisure from the system are the owners, Dibble, not the oppressed poor who recieve nothing.

The adults are talking now, come back when you've grown up.