Should all education be privitized?

[John Dibble]

Except it does work for college.

Thing is though, the students who take out student loans are going to college to get a higher paying job than they otherwise would be, so they are much more likely to be able to pay off the loan. It's a bit different when the people who want to take out the loan are poor and are less likely to have a substantial increase in income to pay them off.

I'm thinking vouchers are the best way to do things.

[John Dibble]

1. People concerned about facts, learning tend to be liberals.

Wrong, just wrong. People who are concerned about facts and learning tend to go to college, and are sometimes taught by liberal professors who will indoctrinate the students. This isn't true of all schools(more so of liberal arts schools I think, less so of technical/science oriented schools like MIT or GaTech), of course. My school is actually pretty politically neutral, and when we disagree we don't yell at eachother either. Phknrocket actually makes a good point about certain fields of study having different leans - for instance I find the computer science field to have a more libertarian lean.

[John Dibble]

1. People concerned about facts, learning tend to be liberals.

Wrong, just wrong. People who are concerned about facts and learning tend to go to college, and are sometimes taught by liberal professors who will indoctrinate the students. This isn't true of all schools(more so of liberal arts schools I think, less so of technical/science oriented schools like MIT or GaTech), of course. My school is actually pretty politically neutral, and when we disagree we don't yell at eachother either. Phknrocket actually makes a good point about certain fields of study having different leans - for instance I find the computer science field to have a more libertarian lean.

I bet those liberatarians feel dumb now that all of the programming jobs were outsourced to India.

I bet the guy from India who works at the same company I do would disagree with you.

[John Dibble]

My main concern is that if I don't like what the government teaches, I really have no choice.  There's no doubt that competing school districts would drive down prices and teach their students much better.  The lower prices would help lower income families rather than putting money in a general tax revenue.  Any additional help to pay would be provided by charities for the poor.

You can always move. It's unrealisitic to expect competing high schools in every small town.

Moving costs money, you know.

[John Dibble]

My main concern is that if I don't like what the government teaches, I really have no choice.  There's no doubt that competing school districts would drive down prices and teach their students much better.  The lower prices would help lower income families rather than putting money in a general tax revenue.  Any additional help to pay would be provided by charities for the poor.

You can always move. It's unrealisitic to expect competing high schools in every small town.

Moving costs money, you know.

So does avoiding hurricanes. One of those sounds like more of a problem to me than the other.

How does that relate to this topic in any way, shape, or form?

[John Dibble]

My main concern is that if I don't like what the government teaches, I really have no choice.  There's no doubt that competing school districts would drive down prices and teach their students much better.  The lower prices would help lower income families rather than putting money in a general tax revenue.  Any additional help to pay would be provided by charities for the poor.

You can always move. It's unrealisitic to expect competing high schools in every small town.

Moving costs money, you know.

So does avoiding hurricanes. One of those sounds like more of a problem to me than the other.

How does that relate to this topic in any way, shape, or form?

Just pointing out that it's unreasonable to expect compeition in small towns for High Schools. You can move if you don't like it (and can afford it).

No, no, what the hell do HURRICANES have to do with it? Please, tell me, I want to know what the fudge was going through your brain that related spending for moving so you could ge to better schools to spending on hurricanes.

[John Dibble]

My main concern is that if I don't like what the government teaches, I really have no choice.  There's no doubt that competing school districts would drive down prices and teach their students much better.  The lower prices would help lower income families rather than putting money in a general tax revenue.  Any additional help to pay would be provided by charities for the poor.

You can always move. It's unrealisitic to expect competing high schools in every small town.

Moving costs money, you know.

So does avoiding hurricanes. One of those sounds like more of a problem to me than the other.

How does that relate to this topic in any way, shape, or form?

Just pointing out that it's unreasonable to expect compeition in small towns for High Schools. You can move if you don't like it (and can afford it).

No, no, what the hell do HURRICANES have to do with it? Please, tell me, I want to know what the fudge was going through your brain that related spending for moving so you could ge to better schools to spending on hurricanes.

Basically I was pointing out that in America, the poor don't get to move for hurricanes, so obviously it'd be unreasonable to have them get to move for High Schools.

Wait, first you say that it's unreasonable to expect competition for high schools(i.e. more than one) in small towns, so if people don't like it they should just move, then you say it's unreasonable to have them move to get to better high schools?

[John Dibble]

John, it's a red herring.  You should know by now, trying to resonably debate with him is like debating opebo.

I know, but still I go on - I have this notion that idiocy must not go unchallenged, lest it corrupt the impressionable.