Feminism on Atlas Forum

[John Dibble]

Yes i am evil i think women should be paid the same for equal work.

That's not evil at all - I think the same way. However, in some professions women and men aren't able to do the same amount of work, or at the same level or quality. I don't think people should be paid equally unless their labor is truly equally valuable, regardless of sex.

[John Dibble]

I don't think people should be paid equally unless their labor is truly equally valuable, regardless of sex.

Different professions need to be evaluated to make sure they are paid comparably to what they are worth.

Too many female-dominated professions tend to over underpaid, even if the work is of a high value (i.e. early childhood education).

It's pretty insane to advocate professions being 'evaluated' for their worth. Who would do that? The government? It's been done in other countries, only to have craptacular results.

The market assigns professions their value just fine in my opinion.


Oh, and here's a sterling example of comparable worth:

"In Minnesota, for example, nurse shortages arose in many cities after the passage of comparable worth legislation. Many job evaluation systems determined that nurses were paid more than they were “worth." This occurred despite already existing nurse shortages that would normally indicate the need to raise wages. The subsequent decline in nurses’ compensation led to an even greater shortage of nurses illustrating perfectly the danger of ignoring supply and demand in setting wage rates."

http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/Articles/2003_07_03Thacker.htm

[John Dibble]

1.  My cousin was married to a raging alcoholic.  She physically attacked him on a regular basis.  She wasn't really able to hurt him, because he's stronger, but she always taunted him to hit her back.  One night, it got so bad he called the police.  They came and wanted to arrest him.  Why?  Because feminists have huge power in this area, and under feminist dogma, the man is ALWAYS responsible for domestic violence.

She could hit him as much as she wanted, with no repurcussions, but if he hit her, he probably would have been arrested and it would have resulted in her winning full custody of their child as an abusive and dysfunctional alcoholic.

I hate domestic violence, but my experience is that women are responsible for it about as often as men.  But feminists have defined it as this horrible cruelty that men inflict on innocent women.  Sometimes it is, but other times it is not.

2.  Same case.  This couple is now separated, and he is fighting an uphill battle for custody of their daughter (with supervised visitation rights for her).  Feminist dogma is that the mother should have full custody.  This mother was a poor mother even before the separation and would be worse now.  She works, but spends all her money on liquor on cigarettes.  She expects him to pay all the real bills for her and the child (even though the child lives with him half time anyway).  Her attitude is a great example of the "what's yours is mine, and what's mine is mine" attitude of feminism.  He doesn't drink, yet is in danger of losing custody to this woman.  Divorce and family courts are notorious for their anti-male attitudes.

Very similar case happened to one of my co-workers. He married a woman who was a narcisist/compulsive liar/alcoholic who was verbally and physically abusive towards him. She made up all sorts of crap about him when they finally got a divorce, and she got partial custody when anyone who knew her could tell you she was a crazy bitch. Fortunately, after a couple years of legal battles, he's finally gotten full custody(he built up a stack of evidence and witnesses to attest to this woman's pathetic excuse for parenting).

[John Dibble]

(he built up a stack of evidence and witnesses to attest to this woman's pathetic excuse for parenting).

Which, when there's willingness, it's very easy. Most detective agengies will get you what you want in no time.

Oh, he didn't need a detective - he just noted things. Like if his daughter said 'Mommy says <insert crazy/assine/irresponsible thing here>', or the fact that there was always four or five empty wine bottles in her trash, or the time he came to pick up his daughter from her house but she left the door open/keys on the lawn/and she was passed out drunk, or the time she tried to switch their daughter's pre-school to an obviously inferior one without his permission simply because it was convenient for her, or ....   By the way, in case you haven't noticed, this guy didn't have much else to talk about, lol, though he was a good debater, got me to be a Libertarian.

I don't know if anyone here reads Creative Loafing, but if you do you may have read some columns by Hollis Gillespie - guess who that is.