Three Days Away from a Constitutional Crisis

[Adam Griffin]

Amazing that Yankee threatened in Discord not 3 days ago to destroy the court (not to mention on an unrelated matter, my political party) if it delayed the verdict in such a fashion that postponed inauguration of the new term, and now is out here trying to pretend to be concerned about the court's sustainability as an institution after the court rendered a verdict in a timely fashion - all the while still ranting and raving about the court's performance, despite the entirety of the delay coming from one of the two parties involved in the case.

Take several seats, Yankee.

If you're so concerned about Discord and its effects on forum activity, maybe post such ranting on the boards as you so often demand of others?

[Adam Griffin]

Amazing that Yankee threatened in Discord not 3 days ago to destroy the court (not to mention on an unrelated matter, my political party) if it delayed the verdict in such a fashion that postponed inauguration of the new term, and now is out here trying to pretend to be concerned about the court's sustainability as an institution after the court rendered a verdict in a timely fashion - all the while still ranting and raving about the court's performance, despite the entirety of the delay coming from one of the two parties involved in the case.

Take several seats, Yankee.

If you're so concerned about Discord and its effects on forum activity, maybe post such ranting on the boards as you so often demand of others?

Yes and I will restate exactly what I said on there on here and I STAND BY IT 100%:

S019 said the court might or should Bush v. Gore this and certify the election "as is on the basis of time".

If this "court certifies the election as is on the basis of time", then it has conspired to steal an election (on the one year anniversary of your homeboys trying to do likewise I would point out), and we should start the impeachments and "finish the job" (a reference to the National Socialist Front's motto") by ending Labor's existence.

Because after two Aprils in a row of trying to steal an election from the people, its pretty much got nothing else going for it, is just a criminal enterprise and would deserve it.

But thanks for taking me out of context and for "your subsequent actions" to try and get back at me. But the funny thing is, in order to "get back at someone" through your tried and true patented thug tactics, you have to know what I want or desire at this point.

Better luck next time. I don't care.

Random commentary cited as evidence, all caps being used, rambling about stuff that either never happened or exaggerating the situations. Are you my grandfather?

Funny how I remember (and still have) all those convos from years ago where you complained about and resented how your party was now filled with post-Trumpian types and you couldn't do anything to rein their nuttiness in...I always wondered when your mind would turn into the same mush as theirs. Now I have my answer: 2023.

Everything you accused the court of doing or would potentially do didn't happen. Full stop. You can stop your warped ramblings and faux concerns about integrity now. All I had to do was post your own words to show everybody that you don't mean it.

As a certain Biden once said: "Lots of Luck in Your Senior Year!".

[Adam Griffin]

Also, kinda hilarious that Yankee thinks a Labor caucus of 3 out of 18 in the Senate is "muscling its way through with vote drones" or whatever. Talk about 10 year old tactics: somebody is way behind on the times!

[Adam Griffin]

Amazing that Yankee threatened in Discord not 3 days ago to destroy the court (not to mention on an unrelated matter, my political party) if it delayed the verdict in such a fashion that postponed inauguration of the new term, and now is out here trying to pretend to be concerned about the court's sustainability as an institution after the court rendered a verdict in a timely fashion - all the while still ranting and raving about the court's performance, despite the entirety of the delay coming from one of the two parties involved in the case.

Take several seats, Yankee.

If you're so concerned about Discord and its effects on forum activity, maybe post such ranting on the boards as you so often demand of others?

Yes and I will restate exactly what I said on there on here and I STAND BY IT 100%:

S019 said the court might or should Bush v. Gore this and certify the election "as is on the basis of time".

If this "court certifies the election as is on the basis of time", then it has conspired to steal an election (on the one year anniversary of your homeboys trying to do likewise I would point out), and we should start the impeachments and "finish the job" (a reference to the National Socialist Front's motto") by ending Labor's existence.

Because after two Aprils in a row of trying to steal an election from the people, its pretty much got nothing else going for it, is just a criminal enterprise and would deserve it.

But thanks for taking me out of context and for "your subsequent actions" to try and get back at me. But the funny thing is, in order to "get back at someone" through your tried and true patented thug tactics, you have to know what I want or desire at this point.

Better luck next time. I don't care.

Random commentary cited as evidence, all caps being used, rambling about stuff that either never happened or exaggerating the situations. Are you my grandfather?

Funny how I remember (and still have) all those convos from years ago where you complained about and resented how your party was now filled with post-Trumpian types and you couldn't do anything to rein their nuttiness in...I always wondered when your mind would turn into the same mush as theirs. Now I have my answer: 2023.

Everything you accused the court of doing or would potentially do didn't happen. Full stop. You can stop your warped ramblings and faux concerns about integrity now. All I had to do was post your own words to show everybody that you don't mean it.

As a certain Biden once said: "Lots of Luck in Your Senior Year!".

Adam, do you really think I would have posted in a public discord if I didn't intend for it to be seen? I have made it abundantly clear when it was LT, when it was Donerail, when it was Truman that there would not be a tolerance for a January 6th in Atlasia. So when S019 openly posited, yes I snapped back firmly what would happened if it did. 

If Truman could do that, anyone could and people need to do know that there will be consequences for that kind of crap happening again.

People also need to know that their officials are operating in their best interests, especially Labor considering their track record, and especially the court considering the recent criticisms.

Now take your bs discord chop shop bs back to where the sun don't shine along with your Labor thug mob. We ain't having it!

>Snaps in Discord over one person saying something & threatens to abolish the court
>"Now take your bs discord chop shop bs back to where the sun don't shine along with your Labor thug mob"

[Adam Griffin]

Also, kinda hilarious that Yankee thinks a Labor caucus of 3 out of 18 in the Senate is "muscling its way through with vote drones" or whatever. Talk about 10 year old tactics: somebody is way behind on the times!

I was referring to June, not the Senate. Pay attention dear!

The entire context of this discussion was about judicial stuff and (by your own absurd claims) "stolen elections in April". You try to pay attention (or at least stay on topic) - or at least lay off the Percs!

[Adam Griffin]

Also, kinda hilarious that Yankee thinks a Labor caucus of 3 out of 18 in the Senate is "muscling its way through with vote drones" or whatever. Talk about 10 year old tactics: somebody is way behind on the times!

I was referring to June, not the Senate. Pay attention dear!

The entire context of this discussion was about judicial stuff and (by your own absurd claims) "stolen elections in April". You try to pay attention (or at least stay on topic) - or at least lay off the Percs!

No, the thread was about an election result in limbo. I should know, I created it. Perhaps you had trouble reading the OP in your old age, so I broke it down for you above.

Hate to break it to you, Yankee, but virtually nobody bothered reading that - nor was any of that part of our discussion as initiated.

And again/absent that: our discussion was about the court's findings on an election result in April. No idea where your mind brought June into this! I certainly never mentioned it.

[Adam Griffin]

That wasn't a snap. That was intentional shot across the bow.

The biggest danger of discord, is the echo chamber. People start with just wild ideas, then others start spouting them and no one pushes back. I pushed back. That is how these things of things take off. Next thing you know you have a Dengcord and things devolve from there.

I love all my Laborites and will defend them to the death, but you effectively took something one regional officeholder in our party said in a public chatroom (one that has been historically and notably hostile to Laborites) as established doctrine. Sorry, but this was just a wild outburst on your part that showed your true feelings: under no normal, rational or well-adjusted scenario would someone come to the conclusions you're now trying to justify after the fact.

[Adam Griffin]

I love all my Laborites and will defend them to the death, but you effectively took something one regional officeholder in our party said in a public chatroom (one that has been historically and notably hostile to Laborites) as established doctrine.

Okay, where?

I never said you were going to do it. I just said what would happen if you did. But apparently you think Labor is above the law and consequences, hence your outburst in this thread.

LMAO. An appropriate analog would be perhaps if a FED/SNP Southern Legislator (I refuse to call it by its latest BS made-up title; might as well bring back the Big Black Imperial Cube or whatever!) made a public comment that said "I'm going to invade the Capitol on January 6th!", I would never take such a simple comment seriously - let alone say something to the effect of "We're bombing Nashville in 5 minutes if they do!".

You overreacted. It happens sometimes. Just stop spinning this holier-than-thou spiel to justify it.

[Adam Griffin]

I am not going to be bullied into backing down from the obvious statement that criminal activity will be met with criminal prosecutions.

Impeachment is not bombing Nashville. It is a punishment for a crime. You over reacted because I threatened your precious party's existence in such a scenario, though truth be told in such a scenario I would expect it to implode on its own. I mean that scenario would basically wreck the operation once all the criminal proceedings were concluded.

And if YT did that, "invade Nyman scenario", I would support criminal prosecution for insurrection.

Wrong again!

Besides the fact that there was no criminal activity or reasonable belief that such would occur, I reacted in this thread because I saw you trying to tell the Chief Justice how much you care about this court and its existence despite threatening to destroy it (by your own admission) because of a single public comment. If your "shot across the bow" due a single comment in Discord was justified, then me bringing up your single comment in Discord is no less valid, no?

[Adam Griffin]

Since I was mentioned here, I will just note my comment was made when I was not aware that TSA was also invalid and that would've changed the results, I retracted my comment after being notified of that. After being made aware of that I expressed support for seating OSR and all of the other duly elected members. This is all my fault for making comments without having the full facts and I apologize for that, but an ignorant comment is not proof of some broader plot.

I don't think it's your fault at all. Some people will latch onto anything as proof of whatever their paranoia or desires are, and use that to try to justify their own actions accordingly (especially after the fact).

If I bothered reading the cesspool that is Lokcord on a daily basis, I could probably find at least 3 random comments each week of equal or worse caliber aimed at us or the game at-large. Even though I've been aware of the secession crisis for months and tried to make people pay attention, I would never say "hey I'm going to destroy the South if they don't do as I demand" or whatever equivalent one prefers.

[Adam Griffin]

Its rather disturbing that you engage in tribal reductionism regarding what would be a defined criminal action in this manner, but that that is how you view the whole world "us versus them" and is rather Trumpist in this matter regarding to defined matters of law.

Thankfully nobody committed any criminal actions here: the only ones that occurred were the potentially hypothetical ones that exist in your fantasies.

The secession crisis is a serious matter, but secession is sanctioned in the constitution for better or for worse.

It doesn't exist under the parameters through which this has transpired - or would you like to take this opportunity to explain to the public how YT and the broader SNP's actions are totally constitutional, valid and therefore no trial is needed? Please elaborate if so!

The scenario S019 posited was that of a criminal conspiracy to defraud the people of their elected representatives and the appropriate response to that is criminal prosecution, if it were to happen. His history of affiliation with criminal conspiracies is also a relevant factor here.

Perhaps I missed something. Of what crimes was he convicted?

The sad part is[...]

...that all I had to do was share 3 lines of your public Discord commentary to send you into a ranting, raving frenzy after you threatened the court if they didn't rule the way you wanted & in the timespan you wanted, and then had the holier-than-thou attitude to say - with a straight face - that you're just looking out for the Justices now after they in fact did rule in the way and timespan you favored, despite constraints placed upon them that were out of their control. Or, what: did you expect Jambles to show up to the DoFE's house and drag him to court by the collar?

[Adam Griffin]

Hardly fantasies when the NSF is also shoving it in our faces with "finish the job". The real question is, why should people trust Labor or not be at least somewhat suspicious? What's to say the next Truman isn't Windjammer, or Sestak, or Pericles, or Adam?

And while we are on the subject of paranoia, I remember a certain Adam Griffin and a certain Windjammer lauding the benefits of such in this game.

News flash, we don't trust any of you and it is your fault that we don't. You earned every last bit of it last year.

But also on the what-if front: what if silver dollars suddenly start shooting out of my ass?

[Adam Griffin]

I am also once again required to say that I knew Truman for almost just as long and until April 2022, I would not have dreamed that he would do those kinds of things. He was bullied by the AtlasforumIRC types too and he basically became one of them.

He was also bullied and actually doxxed by your good friend LT in June 2021. In fact, I'll say that was a big turning point for him in terms of no longer giving a f[inks]k about much of anything or anybody in the game.

And to elaborate on such a point you brought up: why should any of us trust any of you? We're generally open about ourselves, our motives and our aspirations. Meanwhile, you keep a lot of algae on the underside of your ship, yet love to pretend it's not there!

[Adam Griffin]

Hardly fantasies when the NSF is also shoving it in our faces with "finish the job". The real question is, why should people trust Labor or not be at least somewhat suspicious? What's to say the next Truman isn't Windjammer, or Sestak, or Pericles, or Adam?

And while we are on the subject of paranoia, I remember a certain Adam Griffin and a certain Windjammer lauding the benefits of such in this game.

News flash, we don't trust any of you and it is your fault that we don't. You earned every last bit of it last year.

Of course, the NSF is an obvious meme party that boasts a mighty 3 members. Let’s not allow paranoia and hackery to blind us to reality.

That's what Al's parties all were. Until he got appointed AG by a Labor administration and was allowed to support rebellions and launch false prosecutions. All his past actions were hand waved away in the confirmation hearing on similar grounds. "Just memes, just for fun, you are just paranoid."

And yet SNP has 6x the number of members and has actually engaged in criminal behavior - though I'm sure you won't admit they're 6x the threat!

[Adam Griffin]

I am also once again required to say that I knew Truman for almost just as long and until April 2022, I would not have dreamed that he would do those kinds of things. He was bullied by the AtlasforumIRC types too and he basically became one of them.

He was also bullied and actually doxxed by your good friend LT in June 2021. In fact, I'll say that was a big turning point for him in terms of no longer giving a f[inks]k about much of anything or anybody in the game.

And to elaborate on such a point you brought up: why should any of us trust any of you? We're generally open about ourselves, our motives and our aspirations. Meanwhile, you keep a lot of algae on the underside of your ship, yet love to pretend it's not there!

We don't control the Supreme Court, the DoFE or the Presidency. We are not asking you to blindly trust us with the fate of the people's choice in our hands.

And yet "you" control the law-making and amendment processes with a potential supermajority coalition, and had a direct hand in picking multiple appointed positions.

And if you think "we" control the DoFE...lol: news to us! If we did, he'd have been in court much sooner!

[Adam Griffin]

And yet SNP has 6x the number of members and has actually engaged in criminal behavior - though I'm sure you won't admit they're 6x the threat!

Funny thing is I had intended to make a series of posts about SNP tonight

Better get to it!

but I was having far too much fun playing with you.

Yes, because you initiated & had control over this waste of a time-sink! "I'm not owned! I'm not owned!!"

[Adam Griffin]

I am also once again required to say that I knew Truman for almost just as long and until April 2022, I would not have dreamed that he would do those kinds of things. He was bullied by the AtlasforumIRC types too and he basically became one of them.

He was also bullied and actually doxxed by your good friend LT in June 2021. In fact, I'll say that was a big turning point for him in terms of no longer giving a f[inks]k about much of anything or anybody in the game.

And to elaborate on such a point you brought up: why should any of us trust any of you? We're generally open about ourselves, our motives and our aspirations. Meanwhile, you keep a lot of algae on the underside of your ship, yet love to pretend it's not there!

We don't control the Supreme Court, the DoFE or the Presidency. We are not asking you to blindly trust us with the fate of the people's choice in our hands.

And yet "you" control the law-making and amendment processes with a potential supermajority coalition, and had a direct hand in picking multiple appointed positions.

And if you think "we" control the DoFE...lol: news to us! If we did, he'd have been in court much sooner!

Peace were your allies, and many of them were in your party not too long ago. That they are where they are now, is largely on you guys for driving them away.


To the right, Battista looks Labor aligned. If he isn't, I feel bad for him having to carry the weight of your sins undeservedly.

LMAO